14 comments

  • zmmmmm 14 minutes ago
    You have to think the current administration is completely and totally owned by foreign interests at this point.

    The question is, what do you do as the new administration coming in? Presumably you assume every system and every person is compromised all the way down, like a compromised server - clean wipe and re-install.

    One would assume that, like any good hacker, the current set would be heavily focused on ensuring they can survive a reboot / wipe. The question is, what would they be doing to achieve that?

    • esafak 1 minute ago
      They've shifted the culture and normalized their actions. It was already heading in their direction before they came to power.
    • overtone1000 9 minutes ago
      Cash out, destroy evidence, and feign innocence and ignorance.
  • consumer451 1 hour ago
    I am pretty darn jaded these days, but I find myself staggered.

    edit after reply:

    > What was odd, the source said, was that the money in the account—hundreds of millions of dollars—had come from a bank in Azerbaijan.

    Ahh, now the arrest of the former chief of Germany's BND, related to what seemed like a random country "Azerbaijan" is making a bit more sense?

    • TFNA 37 minutes ago
      Azerbaijan isn't a random country in corruption contexts. It is a petro-state and run by a single family for their own enrichment. It's pretty expected to come up occasionally in these kind of stories.
    • tiahura 57 minutes ago
      I wouldn't read a connection between the two other than a lot of corruption flows through Azerbaijan.
      • blipvert 42 minutes ago
        I think that you’ll find that it’s pronounced “Aber-baijan”.
    • eddyfromtheblok 1 hour ago
      the corruption or that other countries are able to surface the corruption faster than we can?
      • georgemcbay 37 minutes ago
        > or that other countries are able to surface the corruption faster than we can?

        A lot of the corruption just happens right out in the open here these days, doesn't even need to be surfaced.

  • cdrnsf 0 minutes ago
    Everything lately makes me want to re-watch Peter Finch's monologue from Network.
  • dead_hn_theory 1 minute ago
    Hold on honey I want to read what HN has to say about Jared Kushner.
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  • Havoc 16 minutes ago
    Why bother with hacks when it's an open secret that the US gov is compromised?
  • tyrabound 29 minutes ago
    Not to make this political, but if the democrats gain control they better at least actually try to prosecute these criminals and not just make it yet another circle jerk asking for donations and never actually accomplishing anything. At some point the ruling class is going to mess around and everyone’s head ends up on a pile regardless. This is the time to demonstrate your head doesn’t deserve on the pile too. Time is running out. Just saying. Things happen fast when they finally cross that threshold that always comes as a surprise.
    • losvedir 22 minutes ago
      Echoes of "Lock her up! Lock her up!"
      • heylook 6 minutes ago
        Are you:

        A) a troll

        B) truly unable to tell the difference

    • ThrowawayTestr 26 minutes ago
      Spoiler: They won't.
      • markdown 11 minutes ago
        They'll put another limp dick like Merrick Garland in charge
  • enjoyyourlife 1 hour ago
    I'm more interested to see if it revealed he is using it on Saturdays
    • pxmpxm 34 minutes ago
      I didn't think he's observant in any way?
    • kstrauser 1 hour ago
      Why would that be?
  • Barrin92 21 minutes ago
    I also feel people are missing the forest for the trees in that discussion in that Jared Kushner is a private citizen and the son in law of the president who somehow is negotiating with foreign heads of states despite having no mandate from the American people to do so. Forget a hacked phone, why is a nepo baby running around negotiating on behalf of a country without holding any office
    • surfingdino 12 minutes ago
      Because the most powerful nation on Earth turned out to be powerless against a carefully planned and executed Dismantling of Democracy attack.
  • Calavar 1 hour ago
    So Kushner's phone was hacked around the same time as Hunter Biden's laptop? Why has the latter captured the media so much more then the former?
    • consumer451 59 minutes ago
      This question and the potential answers are honestly the most interesting thing in this thread, so far.
    • jazzyjackson 47 minutes ago
      Because the latter included clips of the presidents son smoking crack and hanging out with prostitutes? lol
      • estearum 20 minutes ago
        The President’s son being a private citizen versus the President’s son in law being some pseudo-secretary of state?
    • pxmpxm 36 minutes ago
      Is there an alternate reality where the dem aligned mass media didn't completely bury the ridiculously salacious laptop story (drugs, money for access aaaand onlyfans level nudity!!) to steer the election?

      Because i distinctly recall the head of what to that point I though was a credible journalistic organization saying she didnt want to "waste people's time" with that.

      • jetpks 32 minutes ago
        The alternate reality is the one where "dem aligned mass media _did_ completely bury" -- because it's all I heard about for months, and months, and months, and months, and months, and months, and months, and months, and months, and months, and months, and months, and months, and months.
    • WillPostForFood 42 minutes ago
      Media had access to the laptop, and we only have second hand claims about the phone.
    • jonas21 44 minutes ago
      Biden's laptop was in the possession of a computer shop in the US, and the owner leaked its contents to the media.

      Kushner's phone data was in the possession of Dutch intelligence who didn't want anyone to know that they had hacked the phone, and this was not public knowledge until today.

      • estearum 18 minutes ago
        Biden’s laptop was in the possession of “someone” who brought it to a blind computer repair person (seriously!), who then got in touch with Rudy Giuliani, who then leaked the contents to the media… and so we can’t really know who actually gained possession of it. The repair man was blind lol.
    • rootsudo 1 hour ago
      crowd control on 4chan?
    • jimt1234 42 minutes ago
    • pupppet 50 minutes ago
      I think it's becoming clear that although the media just happily accepts the left-wing bias accusations, they are by no means left-wing. They shouted every random Biden mistake from the rooftops while this administration mostly gets a free pass.
    • bayarearefugee 31 minutes ago
      > Why has the latter captured the media so much more then the former?

      Kushner is a boring nerd and Biden is a Chad with a huge dong.

  • ck2 2 hours ago
    it's going to take decades to unravel all the corruption by this administration

    it is staggering

    and they are destroying records in violation of law

    because "pardons for everyone" on the way out

    • lopsotronic 54 minutes ago
      "Corruption" isn't quite the right scale to use for this. Far deeper, more systemic. This is the disassembly of a state.

      Much more equivalent to phenomenon surrounding the collapse of the Soviet Union: liquidation of an entire state's infrastructure via foreign exchange controlled exclusively by the security state . . with plenty of братва duocracy of course.

      We've already seen equivalents, even before the 2008 Econopalypse, but activities like those of the Trump-affiliated circle is the terminal end: where USD-denominated assets are exchanged for pure state power. It's just that this is a particularly pure form of it.

      There will be no unravelling of this, not until the system of USD seigniorage itself unravels.

    • dylan604 1 hour ago
      why would you need to destroy anything if there's pardons involved. Even if they have the proof you committed wrongdoing, the pardon means you suffer no consequences.
      • throw0101a 36 minutes ago
        > why would you need to destroy anything if there's pardons involved.

        To prosecute people guilty of state-level violations (which are not covered by Presidential federal-level pardons). To find 'collaborators' (and perhaps prosecute them, as it may difficult to pardon 'everyone'). To know what happened to perhaps help prevent it happening again in the future.

        • dylan604 20 minutes ago
          Well, that's why you commit your crimes in DC!
      • neaden 40 minutes ago
        They still probably are violating plenty of state and local laws that the pardon won't do anything about.
        • dylan604 12 minutes ago
          what happens if you are convicted in federal court before receiving the pardon. does double jeopardy come into play?
        • DASD 35 minutes ago
          That and there is an idea that the strength of pardons will be tested by the House Oversight Committee(assuming take back by Democrats).
          • estearum 16 minutes ago
            IMO the pardon power was an absolute mistake and I’m totally fine with us just burning this bridge for good.
    • red_candle_wax 1 hour ago
      > and they are destroying records in violation of law

      Nothing new and there will be no justice. Look up the guy in charge of MKUltra. He destroyed evidence and got a nice retirement.

    • jldugger 55 minutes ago
      Seems like the best case scenario is prosecution under state laws, which the presidential pardon cannot stop.
      • ceejayoz 50 minutes ago
        The best case scenario is probably drone strikes as "official acts" under Presidential immunity.
    • jimt1234 1 hour ago
      My understanding is that they don't need to destroy records related to Kushner because he's not a government employee, his records aren't required to be retained. And that is, no doubt, by design.
      • dmix 1 hour ago
        This article is about a phone hacking in 2017 when he was still a federal employee. Russia hacked his iPhone X around then.
  • jongjong 30 minutes ago
    This kind of stuff gives an insight into how horrible centralized governance is. All these manipulations happening behind the scenes constantly which people are affected by but can't make sense of. It's not really surprising though, it's just part of the system. The system is designed in a way to attract certain people and make them behave a certain way. Power should be much more decentralized so that this doesn't happen.
    • estearum 21 minutes ago
      The reason that power centralizes is that decentralized powers tend to get outcompeted (in the short run) by centralized powers.
  • partiallypro 31 minutes ago
    I am very jaded about the current administration and also the previous...few...or several? That being said, similar to the Hunter Biden laptop situation, I think you do have to be careful. Sure they -could- have the device or it -could- have been hacked, but what is the proof that the hacked or on-device information wasn't planted among real items to make it appear legitimate? That was always the big if for me with the Hunter stuff, so I will extend the same skepticism here, knowing full well it could definitely be true in either case.
  • red_candle_wax 1 hour ago
    Its just good business.