13 comments

  • stetrain 1 hour ago
    I'm sure this was done in a perfectly fair and balanced manner and not in a way that is at all aligned to the CEO's publicly stated politics.
    • porkbellyeee 1 hour ago
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    • dionian 52 minutes ago
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      • causesothere 48 minutes ago
        Elon has been pretty actively removing speech from X he disagrees with. Thats just objectively true.

        And he's been obviously. And objectively deeply partisan outside of X. The OP's supposition that he'd be partisan on X in the run up to an election is a fair and reasonable one, independent of what Jack did.

        • edgyquant 45 minutes ago
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          • treyd 36 minutes ago
            Removing hate from a privately-run platform is not censorship. It just feels like censorship to reactionaries because their political beliefs are hateful and do not respect the categorical imperative.
            • pjc50 33 minutes ago
              Just to complete the set of views expressed in this thread: it is censorship, and it's also absolutely necessary if you want to have a civil society. Otherwise the whole thing - society, not just the platform - evolves into competitive death threats and thence into actual violence. This includes state violence.

              You can no more run a social media website without moderation than you can run a nuclear reactor without a moderator.

            • krapp 33 minutes ago
              It is censorship. Banning any content of any form for any reason, including legality, is censorship.

              What people don't want to admit to themselves is that censorship isn't always a bad thing. Realizing that requires a degree of nuance that the internet currently doesn't support.

          • causesothere 39 minutes ago
            Try to have a rational and calm discourse about trans folks on X. You will necessarily need to compare the lived experiences of trans people and people who are not trans, which will probably result in you using the prefix "cis" (which is the literal opposite of the prefix trans). You will get moderated for doing so.
            • zulux 27 minutes ago
              I refuse to use "cis". I'm not a subtype.
              • stetrain 24 minutes ago
                That isn't justification to censor the term.
              • causesothere 21 minutes ago
                Cis didn't originate from gender. Cislunar, cisalpine, etc.

                And it's ok for you to not identify as cis. You get to have whatever identity you want.

                We are discussing a platform that censors discussion when that discussion includes trans and not trans people. Unless you are X, the platform, I don't think your identity is germane. (And once again, you are valid.)

          • samcolson42 38 minutes ago
            Can you provide some data about the scale of 'conservative voices... censored prior to 2022'? I have used the platform a long time, trying to take in a balanced set of news sources. I do not believe that conservatives ever had a problem getting their voice heard on the platform... All of Charlie Kirk's (vile) tweets are still up, for example.
      • stetrain 44 minutes ago
      • k33n 49 minutes ago
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        • esseph 36 minutes ago
          The guy in office has a press ban

          Lol

    • theplumber 49 minutes ago
      I think most of Trump agenda(I.e anti immigration, anti trans/lgbtq+ policies) would not have survived on social media or at least on Twitter/x. It would have been marked as hatred, bigotry, racism etc so it doesn’t surprise me we now see the other side of the coin.

      At some point it we may get balanced policies but we are still far from that as no party seems to want that yet.

      • stetrain 30 minutes ago
        > I think most of Trump agenda(I.e anti immigration, anti trans/lgbtq+ policies) would not have survived on social media or at least on Twitter/x.

        Then how did he get elected in 2016 with a heavy social media presence and then continue using Twitter as his primary direct communication method as POTUS up until 2021?

      • piyuv 30 minutes ago
        What do you mean “it would have been marked as hatred”? It _is_ hatred, bigotry, racism, etc. Trump isn’t shy about showing how racist and hateful he is.
      • baggachipz 41 minutes ago
        This is absolutely not a "both sides" thing. The owner of the network is spending record amounts of money on getting Republicans elected this cycle (and last). The idea that his social network would do anything counter to the whims of the CEO or his pal is utterly laughable.
        • k33n 38 minutes ago
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          • causesothere 35 minutes ago
            What you are saying is objectively false, uselessly partisan, and shows both an obvious and tragic misunderstand of both recent and collected history.

            I do not know what your information diet is like, but if you would like help, I'm sure folks would be willing to talk and listen.

            • k33n 32 minutes ago
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              • causesothere 25 minutes ago
                Only the left believes in censorship is not objectively true. The Nazis burned books. More recent administrations have banned the words climate change. Books are regularly removed from libraries by right wing administrations.

                I can find you many, many cases that demonstrate your claim (only the left believes in censorship) is false.

      • a3w 41 minutes ago
        e.g. anti-anti-facism was missing, which is funniest use of "anti", and saddest for a POTUS.
      • krapp 36 minutes ago
        Trump's movement originated on and proliferated on social media, what are you talking about? Jan. 6th was planned and organized on social media, often openly. His agenda would not have survived without social media.
  • mingus88 1 hour ago
    What a blow to Elon to lose his account in his own platform
  • ChrisRR 39 minutes ago
    Thank you HN for highlighting new usernames in green
  • voidhorse 1 hour ago
    Meanwhile: https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-midterms-republicans-do...

    Manipulation of elections is OK as long as you do it with money.

  • feverzsj 48 minutes ago
    Posts on "For you" are mostly pro right/republican/Trump these days, even if you block such accounts frequently.
    • craftkiller 26 minutes ago
      Why are you still using Twitter? It has been years since the purchase, you've had plenty of time to switch.
    • causesothere 43 minutes ago
      X is a deeply partisan website. It actively censors leftist viewpoints. So it's not surprising it would skew rightward.

      This effect is self reinforcing, if you are leftish, and you are in a tightening space, why would you stay?

    • inquirerGeneral 42 minutes ago
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  • bratsche 56 minutes ago
    Probably 13,000 accounts that suddenly went dark after Ukraine took out some datacenter in Russia recently.
    • thatsabadlook 54 minutes ago
      Doubtful... It looks like Starlink showed it's colors to Ukraine and it's admiration for the Russian state what was it within 24hrs of that operation? Yikes.
      • rpmisms 39 minutes ago
        That's not an accurate characterization of what happened, and I think you know that.
        • thatsabadlook 0 minutes ago
          Do you have updated information about this? I've been following this pretty closely and that's more or less what I've read and seen discussed.
        • causesothere 33 minutes ago
          I don't think anyone knows that, given it's news from the past couple days.
    • diath 40 minutes ago
  • brodouevencode 1 hour ago
    Reminder that Twitter (X) has done similar things (shadow-banning) before.
    • causesothere 46 minutes ago
      HN does too. It's a standard moderation practice.
  • lawn 1 hour ago
    Knowing Musk, they probably purged pro Democrats while leaving Russian bots alone.
    • boesboes 1 hour ago
      true, luckily they're mostly offline since yandex gone boom
      • gruez 57 minutes ago
        There's no evidence of that happening. In fact there's counter-evidence:

        https://bsky.app/profile/antibot4navalny.bsky.social/post/3m...

      • 233mhz 52 minutes ago
        People keep saying this with 0 proof other than the INDEXING "bot" trafick being down on cloudflare dashboard
        • nozzlegear 44 minutes ago
          > other than the INDEXING "bot" trafick being down on cloudflare dashboard

          So they do have some proof?

          • gruez 15 minutes ago
            OP: >they probably purged pro Democrats while leaving Russian bots alone

            In that context it's pretty obvious "bots" are referring to disinformation or "troll" bots, not bots doing indexing/scraping.

          • customguy 10 minutes ago
            > Mr. Franklin claims he went to the moon first, with no proof except a soggy box of matches with the words "moon pie" scribbled on it.

            So he has some proof? So the jury is still out, so this is controversial, right?

  • syngrog66 43 minutes ago
    meanwhile Musk spending $250M+ on Republican campaigns. but sure, ban a few Twitter accounts
  • throwaway613746 1 hour ago
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  • gvfsa 1 hour ago
    >...as well as content intended to discourage participation.

    Uh? That's odd. In my country I don't vote because I don't feel represented and I encourage others in my situation to do the same. Would I get banned for saying that?

    • boesboes 1 hour ago
      Are you a bot from an openly hostile nation? If not, then probably not. But maybe you've already been successfully brain washed, because that's EXACTLY what countries do to undermine each other
      • gvfsa 57 minutes ago
        No, I read the policy and it doesn't cover what I mentioned. It looks like "content intended to discourage participation" is probably not the best wording...

        https://help.x.com/en/rules-and-policies/election-integrity-...

      • knottn 48 minutes ago
        Getting idiots to not vote undermines elections? Weird.
        • pjc50 38 minutes ago
          Selectively getting people to not vote, yes. It's the reverse of "get out the vote" campaigns.

          (Australian compulsory voting: discuss)

        • causesothere 45 minutes ago
          Yes. Building apathy erodes democracy.
          • MatekCopatek 26 minutes ago
            It's a little more nuanced than that. Not voting can be just as democratic as voting if you're informed about your options and decide none of them represent your position.

            But even in situations where someone would potentially want to vote and a tweet misleads them to believe it's not worth it, why is that worse then a tweet misleading them to believe that a certain political option will work in their favor?

            • causesothere 18 minutes ago
              I voted third party. I know all about voting with intent. Apathy, however, is caustic. It encourages people to not think they could improve things. To check out, stop listening.

              "Listen to that guy" gets people listening and encourages at least the chance of someone going, "wait, actually I don't like what this guy is saying, what are other guys saying?"

          • AnimalMuppet 30 minutes ago
            So do people that are easily manipulated by propaganda. Do you want such people to vote, to give the election to the best propagandists? Or do you want them to not vote, and deal with the apathy?
            • stetrain 25 minutes ago
              The fewer people who vote, the smaller the group that needs to be influenced to make a difference in the election.
        • nozzlegear 42 minutes ago
          It obviously undermines elections. The only thing weird here is your faux confusion.
    • oeitho 30 minutes ago
      Why would any politician care about your concerns if you don’t vote?

      I’ve heard this said by acquaintances before, but even when someone finally says what they want to hear they find another reason to not vote… without exception.

      Whenever the topic shows up I always tell people to vote and that there’s no good reason to not vote if you legally can.

      • gvfsa 2 minutes ago
        Because due to demographics I’m in the minority. Democracy caters to the majority. In generic terms, all policies are written to benefit the old in detriment of the young, but they vastly outnumber us, so there’s nothing that can be done about this.

        There’s a good reason not to vote: you have to go and vote. If I could vote from home, maybe.

    • ChrisRR 41 minutes ago
      Why would you get banned for saying that? What a pointlessly argumentative comment
  • tavavex 31 minutes ago
    Sounds like they're just getting rid of competition
  • olooney 1 hour ago
    Twitter over 300 million daily active users. 13,000 is 0.004% of that.

    A standard drop of water is 0.05 ml. A standard household bucket is about 3 gallons. So the proverbial "drop in the bucket" is 0.0004%.

    So, for all you naysayers out there saying this is just a drop in the bucket, it's literally x10 that.

    Why, if they could get this up to a repeatable process and ban 13,000 accounts per day, that would be 1.5% every year. After a couple of years of work, that might even be perceptible to the average user. Sounds like the problem is well in hand.

    • thatsabadlook 52 minutes ago
      This is the most contorted argument I have ever seen. I admire it on some level. Like we could be friends but I wouldn't let you watch my dogs
      • bliteben 45 minutes ago
        Yeah not sure I'd want to be around for his midlife crisis though.
    • piva00 1 hour ago
      Without any stats/metrics about engagement of real users with these accounts you have absolute no basis to do any comparison to drops of water.

      Not sure why number of accounts matter at all, even more if you are depending on internal Twitter investigations to determine that without knowing any of the methodology to detect those, etc.

      But sure, you can always defend Twitter if that's the hill you want to die on.

      • gruez 59 minutes ago
        >Without any stats/metrics about engagement of real users with these accounts you have absolute no basis to do any comparison to drops of water.

        I think it's fair to assume that if x.com refuses to provide stats that are easily obtainable for them (eg. views or followers), that those stats aren't favorable to them.

    • greg7mdp 44 minutes ago
      Sometimes 0.004% matters when the population is not homogenous.

      The 0.004% richest Amreicans hold the majority of US wealth. I would not be surprised if the 0.004% top X users in terms of followers have a majority of followers as well.

      So implying that because 0.004% is a small proportion of total users, this user ban is unconsequential seems flawed to me.

      • tacitusarc 37 minutes ago
        > The 0.004% richest Americans hold the majority of US wealth

        That is massively false. It’s closer to 5%. Still really bad IMO but 0.004% is a ludicrous thing to claim

        https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/dataviz/dfa/distr...

      • ericd 23 minutes ago
        >The 0.004% richest Amreicans hold the majority of US wealth

        Nah, it’s more like the top 5% hold half. The top 0.1% are at ~13%.