We’re forgetting what darkness feels like

(theguardian.com)

27 points | by pseudolus 5 hours ago

11 comments

  • _caw 0 minutes ago
    One of the most effective ways you can personally help protect night sky is by installing downward facing lights with caps!

    No need to waste energy lighting up the sky; direct it toward what you need illuminated.

    Also, the company the article mentions is Reflect Orbital.

    Love the idea of harnessing more sun, but really disturbed by the potential destruction of darkness that it could cause when deployed at scale. We were meant to have night.

  • macNchz 23 minutes ago
    I grew up in a rural place where we could see the texture of the milky way just stepping outside at night—it’s been fun taking friends who grew up in cities on wilderness backpacking trips and sitting out to watch the stars. There’s an awe to a true night sky that I think has real psychological impact.

    I did also have a cool experience, deep in the backcountry at a high elevation camp some years ago: we went to sleep in a gale, the tent flapping all around, with a cloudy sky. I thought we’d get a big storm, but I woke up hot at 3am, the air totally still. I slid out of the tent and the sky was completely crystal clear. An incredible spread of stars. I watched for a while and noticed a reddish glow on the horizon. We were so far out and it wrapped around in all directions, so I knew it couldn’t possibly have been a town, but I was puzzled. I learned about airglow when we got out of the woods: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airglow

    • magicalhippo 7 minutes ago
      > There’s an awe to a true night sky that I think has real psychological impact.

      I've only really experienced this once in my life. I was young teen, my family was visiting some family friends at a remote cabin. I woke up during the middle of the night and went out. It was a crystal clear winter night, and I was completely blown away at what I saw.

      Once I had gotten over the shock, I thought "no wonder they called it the milky way". It was so bright, it felt like a new moon just smeared all across the sky.

      Sadly not had the chance to experience that again. The then-remote cabin got swarmed by hundreds of others and so it's no longer pitch dark at night there.

      I have it as a goal to get out in a really dark zone and see it again.

    • pmoriarty 11 minutes ago
      I love watching the milky way on a clear, dark night. There are so many stars. Countless stars. It makes me feel really small and all my troubles (and the world's troubles) so insignificant. I love that feeling.
  • bushido 23 minutes ago
    A long time ago, I had the privilege of being in an area with zero lights. It wasn't a dark sky preserve officially, but it really was one. The night sky was mesmerizing.

    Unfortunately, I have never seen stars the same way again. Whenever I think I might see them, I encounter some light pollution which dulls them down.

    Oh, what I'd give to experience darkness and to be under the stars.

    (That's obviously a lie because I love my conveniences and give up the darkness and the stars for said conveniences every single day)

  • HeyLaughingBoy 7 minutes ago
    I live on a small farm a few miles from the closest town. It's not totally pitch dark, but on a clear night you can see the Milky Way and sometimes on my way back inside after doing evening chores, I'll just stand there staring up at the sky. It never gets old.

    Does feel a bit eerie on moonless nights when the coyotes start howling though.

  • thaeli 27 minutes ago
    For most of my life, I never quite “got it” about the night sky. It was pretty, but not THAT different away from cities.

    I only recently learned that visual snow syndrome is a thing, and that most people don’t have it. For me, there is a faint background of multicolor static (analog TV on a dead channel, for those who remember that) on everything, all the time. Light washes it out, so it’s only in the deep dark that I’m absolutely surrounded by it. (It’s basically visual tinnitus, which in turn lead me to discover that I’ve also had auditory tinnitus my whole life, it’s just a soft static not a “ringing” so I never realized it was the same phenomenon.)

    • svachalek 24 minutes ago
      So you're living in the opening of Neuromancer: "The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel."
  • cadamsdotcom 10 minutes ago
    I think actually we're forgetting how economically valuable light is and how much lighting at night improves human lives.

    While also - paradoxically - forgetting that there are plenty of dark places just outside your city if you're willing to drive to them.

    Perhaps it's in service of baiting you to click.

    • jaggederest 1 minute ago
      The issue is that so much of night time lighting is wasteful and excessive, not that lighting doesn't enhance the world for humans.

      I know for a fact that just putting old school light shutters on streetlights so they don't leak into, say, bedrooms and stay focused on pavement and sidewalks, and dimming them off hours, would be a huge change that doesn't diminish utility at all.

    • DangitBobby 8 minutes ago
      Who is forgetting that? Complaining that I can't see the fucking stars doesn't mean I don't understand that having lights let's me see in the dark.
  • yndoendo 9 minutes ago
    The one big reason I would love to live in the past or have a time machine is to see a true night sky. Sick of the light washed-out and satellite specked one we have now.
  • aelsi 19 minutes ago
    I feel like its a huge part why I barely see insects outside any more. Seeing bugs waste their life flying around a street lamp is pretty sad
  • karim79 7 minutes ago
    Story time! I used to live in Bahrain, which is an archipelago. When I was a kid my family and friends took a boat out to Umm Jaleed Island (nicknamed Bird Poop Island) for the night. Zero light pollution, we had tents but chose to stare up at the stars and get pinched by crabs, enjoying the quiet.
  • apparent 39 minutes ago
    I bring my hammock on vacation so I can sleep under the stars. It's always one of the most enjoyable aspects of the trip, even though I'm asleep for most of it.
  • codevark 5 hours ago
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