Is it time for a Luddite Renaissance?

(npr.org)

32 points | by mooreds 1 hour ago

7 comments

  • runjake 19 minutes ago
    In the true sense where you're militarizing and committing acts of sabotage on others' property (so-called "monkeywrenching")? And then, getting suppressed and eradicated/killed by the government?

    No.

    I prefer the "Calm Technology"[1] approach as espoused by Amber Case[2]. I think this is the saner path forward.

    1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calm_technology

    2. https://a.co/d/02kdlV3p

  • RobotToaster 25 minutes ago
    Unfortunately I imagine your modern AI data centre has better security than a 19th century textile mill.
    • frumplestlatz 23 minutes ago
      Unfortunately? Are we really at the point of supporting terrorism of the “correct” political persuasion?
      • howunfortunate 13 minutes ago
        We're way past it, sadly. Luigi was insanely popular for the cold blooded murder of a CEO. Hundreds of thousands of people celebrated Charlie Kirk's murder within minutes of it happening, let alone the discourse you see now, a year later. Plenty of people, even on this forum, openly advocate for "the funniest thing" happening to Elon.

        Terrorism and murder are in vogue.

      • miltonlost 18 minutes ago
        Are we at the point where we allow companies to just hack other companies and do nothing about it?
  • lo_zamoyski 1 minute ago
    What I find interesting is how the tone seems to have changed in swathes of tech industry. Until LLMs were a thing, techno-optimism and sola technologia fundamentalism seems to have been a more prominent fetish. When LLMs began having a practical and tangible effect, much of the same cohort seems to have pivoted toward aversion. If this is true—and this perception could be an artifact of selection bias driven by those with the loudest voices, though I strongly suspect it is not that entirely—then it cannot be denied how self-serving it is. Sure, we can automate away all sorts of jobs, confident that our own is the only constant and the one thing that would survive automation. But then, the cunning of reality cut down that hubris.

    Of course, I do think technology ought to be adopted with prudence and wisdom. We must always remember the purpose of technology which is serving the objective human good, but to be able to do that requires more than narrow technical savvy. You need a wise and substantive grasp of the broader context within which technology is located.

  • orbital-decay 14 minutes ago
    This word has lost any meaning, if anything the current anti-tech wave is far closer to Amish views (subjective vetoing of new tech to avoid centralization and preserve the way of life) than to historical Luddism.
  • goatlover 48 minutes ago
    The term luddite is like the term pharisee. It's a pejorative removed from it's historical context. Actual Luddites and Pharisees would have not agreed that they were against technology or legalistic hypocrites, even though their critics tried to paint them with that brush.
    • lo_zamoyski 18 minutes ago
      > It's a pejorative removed from it's historical context.

      It utterly depends on historical context. Intelligent people understand antonomasia and eponymy.

      > Actual Luddites and Pharisees would have not agreed that they were against technology or legalistic hypocrites

      That's neither here nor there.

  • cyanydeez 1 hour ago
    Actual luddite: prevent capitalists from using technology to destroy society.

    Meme luddite: hate technology

    • pessimizer 22 minutes ago
      Actual Luddite: your employees who are going through layoffs while your profits are rising.

      Luddite according to the boss: somebody who is trying to prevent me from doing what I want to do when I want to do it just because there's 100 of them and one of me.

      The boss owns the printing press.

    • lolakutty 53 minutes ago
      normie: Loves to walk on technologically advanced crutches when they have perfectly working legs...
    • bbg2401 23 minutes ago
      Your “actual Luddite” characterisation is just as much a meme.

      Both are stupid misrepresentations of the movement.

    • analog8374 54 minutes ago
      Amish luddite. Technology is vetted by a central committee before the public is allowed to use it.
      • esafak 5 minutes ago
        I was in Amish country last week, watching in bemusement as elderly women zoomed down the street in e-bikes. I thought to myself that it was understandable given that they lived on uneven terrain. But then, I wondered, why did they choose such a place to live if they were not willing to use technology?
      • Citizen_Lame 28 minutes ago
        Cyberpunk Luddite - carries an illegal military-grade EMP grenade strictly for when the smart fridge tries to make small talk.
  • bbor 44 minutes ago
    All Hail King Ludd!

    What do I mean by that? No one knows. But it's provocative -- it gets the comments going!

    (despite being a dumb comment, this is my attempt to express the serious point that Luddism is a beautiful, admirable movement, and we are in a position where it can and will be redefined completely to fit this new world; don't let anyone convince you that their Luddism is the only true Luddism, at least not yet!)