7 comments

  • game_the0ry 18 minutes ago
    I can't stress this enough -- boycott all meta products.

    Delete them off your phone. You don't need insta and whatsapp.

    Starve the demon of your data.

    • cube00 14 minutes ago
      Some countries (India, Brazil, Mexico and Indonesia) run entirely on WhatsApp including payments.

      If you want to book a doctor's appointment you don't call and talk to an AI chat bot you message them on WhatsApp.

      Signal was starting to gain traction until they dumped text message support and people were like, "well if I need two apps now I'll just drop Signal"

    • ray_v 12 minutes ago
      Is there a "crypto-shred" method for destroying access to your account? Like, change your email to one that expires/isn't reusable, then change the password to some totally random, lengthy string and then never record it?
    • amir734jj 8 minutes ago
      I would love to. Unfortunately, half of my friends are on Instagram and the other half on WhatsApp. We are screwed.
  • jazzyjackson 2 hours ago
    Nice detailed write up. I love-hate Meta’s PR spin on this: “Meta's Agreement With Bipartisan Attorneys General: Calling on TikTok and YouTube to Join Us in Supporting Teens”

    https://investor.atmeta.com/investor-news/press-release-deta...

    • voidfunc 1 hour ago
      They learned good from the tobacco industry about how to manage this properly. Getting way out in front of things and pretending to regulate themselves.
    • ToucanLoucan 1 hour ago
      Genuinely unhinged that companies can just lie this way to the public and it’s completely fine. Normal even.

      You didn’t agree to shit, Meta. You’re scum, so much so that even in the incredibly hostile to industry regulation environment we find ourselves in, you managed to get fined.

  • diego_moita 7 minutes ago
    So the vampire is now the manager of the blood bank?
  • JohnMakin 2 hours ago
    These arguments are not very strong. It also makes the assumption that these platforms are the only possible place on the web for minors to get information. That's only true because these platforms literally made it that way. It also makes the absolutely insane assumption that children are on there consuming meaningful content and not literal brain rotting slop or worse.

    There's no amount of mental gymnastics in my head I can think of to get to the conclusion this is bad for children, somehow. Bad for the web and privacy? I don't doubt it will become that way, but that's the world we already exist in, and again, no other large players are behaving well there either. That's an entirely different battle that should never have been mixed in with this one.

  • ChrisArchitect 3 hours ago
    Discussion:

    Did Meta's Big Settlement Actually Help It?

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49464678

    Meta reaches $17B settlement over social media harms to children

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49448819

  • hkt 2 hours ago
    Is that actually true? A settlement only binds the relevant parties. If it had gone to court that's be different, but functionally this is a private agreement. My understanding of law is UK centric, though, so can anyone say why this would be the case? Is there something wildly different about the American system?
    • mrandish 50 minutes ago
      > A settlement only binds the relevant parties.

      True but with this (lousy) deal Meta ensures no legal precedent will be set and it publicly establishes a baseline of terms and installment payments all the states have agreed to accept. That turns a serious existential threat into, essentially, a capped business tax. The negotations with TikTok and YouTube will start with these terms and end not far from them.

      The clever thing Meta did was make 30% of the money they're giving the states ($5.3B) conditional on the states getting both TikTok and YouTube to agree to the same terms. They're basically incentivizing the enforcers to find a way to force the same terms on their biggest competitors.

    • mh- 2 hours ago
      No. It's as you say here, as well.
  • nullorempty 56 minutes ago
    I think China got it right with TikTok. Educational content only! Done!