X sends in the lawyers to shut down open source project

(theregister.com)

71 points | by giamma 1 hour ago

12 comments

  • zetanor 33 minutes ago
    It's both funny and sad that despite several malicious actions like this, despite wasting a ton of Twitter's social capital and despite years of broken promises (e.g., dealing with bots, bringing back free speech, ending algo/report manipulation), none of the writers and artists whose work I enjoy have even attempted to move away. I mostly just read there, but presumably posters feel bound to their social network. Maybe the site really was worth $44B.
    • Always42 16 minutes ago
      You’re alluding that others shouldn’t use the site, but you still do? You need an account to read there don’t you?
      • like_any_other 6 minutes ago
        > You need an account to read there don’t you?

        Normally yes, but if you use nitter then no.

      • perching_aix 9 minutes ago
        [delayed]
    • echelon 13 minutes ago
      Nobody is leaving X apparently. If anything, I see people using it more now than ever before. I also see non political people using it more.

      I need X for work but I don't really enjoy posting as it feels like you have to shitpost constantly to get engagement. That's not how I want to spend my energy.

      Meanwhile, the non-Facebook Threads alternatives (Bluesky / Mastodon) are edgy spaces where furry, kink, and progressive DSA content reigns. Nothing wrong with that, but it's a bad first experience for newcomers when content like that is worn on the sleeve, shown as the first experience, and used to exclude outsiders.

      Paraphrasing, but seeing profiles that say "If you're not [8 acronyms I don't understand], go to hell" - why is that even on my feed? What is this? I don't get any of this.

      I remember when I signed up the main feed was full of horny anime profiles, sex toys, and death wishes for politicians intermixed with an occasional tech post. I'm pretty sure they didn't have that tracking data on me to tailor my feed.

      There's nowhere middle of the road average. (Maybe Threads is that?) The other alternatives have certainly niched down and become unattractive to the mainstream.

      It's like Reddit with Voat a decade or so ago, except Voat attracted people that were banned from Reddit for typically valid reasons.

      Building an all inclusive social network is hard, because it depends on who the first users are. It sets the stage for growth and limits the ultimate appeal if it over-indexes on one type of user.

      X's anime pfps certainly keep the Kardashians and non-streetwear / luxury fashion folks out.

    • voidfunc 24 minutes ago
      What I find even more amusing is that all the people that screech about how much they hate Elon, Trump, Conservatives etc. They also still basically only use Twitter err X.

      The network effect is hard to pull away from especially when you realize nobody is listening elsewhere.

      • PaulHoule 0 minutes ago
        You can't underestimate the power of two-sided networks. Every day "Ask HN" people underestimate the difficulty of starting a new community platform by orders of magnitude. And no matter how you mismanage a platform it's close to impossible to kill.
  • a4isms 47 minutes ago
    Not that it matters, but my use case for Nitter and XCancel was to provide a link to accompany a screen shot when discussing a tweet on Mastodon. Now I'lll just use a screen shot, there is zero chance I will send them direct traffic of any kind.
  • galoisscobi 19 minutes ago
    If XCancel is gone then I'm cancelling X. I don't need to read what people have to say on that website.
  • Good4boothee 53 minutes ago
    Main discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49437283

    And I still can't go over how this title looks like draft version with placeholder, published a bit too fast. How could anyone thing a single letter is good choice for an company/service name?

    • close04 45 minutes ago
      > How could anyone thing a single letter is good choice for an company/service name

      In this case, Musk is stuck being his 12 year old self and carrying a 30 year old obsession to use this very cool naming for his "everything company", after losing that name along with him leaving PayPal. He finally got the chance.

  • bilsbie 17 minutes ago
    A long time ago twitter had built in rss feeds. No need to scrape.
  • tamimio 23 minutes ago
    Seeing all companies are hellbent to have all users logged in with accounts, it means they definitely integrated these accounts to some centralized database in the US or plantir aggregator to accurately track any, or basically ban them and remove them from any social media interaction. I have to warn that this gatekeeping is coming to non social media platforms as well, including your own blog, since you can’t control the domain names.

    It’s also hilarious how hypocritical these tech companies, meta steal and sell users data and sue a company for scraping, xitter send C&D letters, AI companies are building models from stolen books and sometimes even physically destroying them, then lecture others when their models get distilled, basically: rules for thee and not for me.

  • giamma 1 hour ago
    Possible alternative? https://twitterwebviewer.com/
    • quaintdev 52 minutes ago
      At this point just ditch Twitter.
    • rwmj 1 hour ago
      Also sotwe.com although you need to filter your javascript pretty heavily to use it safely.
  • 2OEH8eoCRo0 1 hour ago
    Scraping is legal. It's amazing how much these companies benefit from scraping but don't want others to do it.
    • Someone1234 46 minutes ago
      From my understanding scraping a public website you'd otherwise have access to is legal in the US. However, re-hosting that scrapped copyright content, particularly if it isn't transformative/fair-use (inc. only partial content) is very much either violates copyright, or best case is legally a gray area.

      Google got dragged into court for exactly this, and they were summarizing/snipping, so they had a fair-use argument to make. This is a 1:1 reproduction of the content, so the legal arguments on fair-use would be harder to make I suspect.

      I've personally used XCancel, and I really like it, but stepping back legally they're on shaky ground if Twitter decides to stop it.

      • pwdisswordfishs 24 minutes ago
        AFAIK, to date Twitter hasn't required its users agree to a copyright assignment or an exclusive license to the content of their tweets, so it wouldn't be a copyright suit. Twitter wouldn't have standing to bring suit, as that would be reserved for the actual copyright holders, i.e. Twitter's userbase.
    • inigyou 52 minutes ago
      Sending a C&D ordering someone to stop doing a legal thing is also legal.
    • codingdave 46 minutes ago
      Civil law is not centered around what is or is not legal. It is about resolving problems that fall outside of criminal law. It is a completely different set of procedures and approach to the law.
  • christkv 40 minutes ago
    Same strategy as Reddit seems data has too much monetary value
  • nephihaha 1 hour ago
    Wish I'd known about this years ago.
  • ChrisArchitect 46 minutes ago
  • OhNoNotAgain_99 12 minutes ago
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