9 comments

  • haunter 40 minutes ago
    TRON wasn’t just an OS but a whole integrated system, it was meant to be used with different parts working together. There was a whole TRON house tech demo built in Tokyo back in 1989 https://youtu.be/7jPKEyM44GU

    If you want to try here is the BTRON 4.5 media, should work in modern VMs https://archive.org/details/chokanji

    https://youtu.be/yYfoCe6q28A

    https://social.tchncs.de/@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt/111885034...

  • skeledrew 3 minutes ago
    Of course. Why would the US allow what's essentially their colony in all but name to control that much stack for a critical tech?
  • ColdStream 1 hour ago
    I think it is like most software, especially in the OS space. The technology doesn't have to be the best, it just needs to get lucky enough to become a standard and build a moat with that.

    And by the mid 80's the moats were already very deep.

    Amiga couldn't over come the PC. IBM couldn't over come the moat of Windows with OS2. Intel couldn't overcome x86 with the i432 or Itanium. Luck and market forces from said luck played a huge part in determining who won.

    • specproc 1 hour ago
      > The report stated that the US had concerns about Japanese government market intervention to support the TRON OS and identified two specific markets where TRON was receiving government advantage.

      The US government is one hell of a moat.

      • childintime 3 minutes ago
        The financial center of the world selects its winners nearby. As simple as that. Businesses outside of the US have never had much of a chance.

        China does the same now, as the engineering center of the world. And they have to because the financial center is hyping them as a threat.

    • Aperocky 15 minutes ago
      Is it luck or bold product and marketing decision?

      Being first could be luck, or it can be foresight.

    • krige 50 minutes ago
      > Amiga couldn't over come the PC.

      For reasons that had nothing to do with OS. Swap Steve Jobs with Irving Gould and Apple would be dead in under a decade too.

    • tonyhart7 26 minutes ago
      apparently China decision to ban US tech company and build their own counterpart is seen as Genius after 20 years
      • alansaber 2 minutes ago
        Certain fundamental technologies are national security. If you proport to be a superpower you can't have your nation be fully reliant on say the Mac OS. Same with agricultural imports, IC development, dot dot dot
      • arkh 23 minutes ago
        One of the advantages of an autocracy: you don't need people's approval every 5 years so you can plan for decades. When you're right it is awesome. When you're wrong, well that's what the army is for.
        • tonyhart7 19 minutes ago
          You can badmouth about China all you want but at least they are consistent where they stand

          while US flip flopping about invading middle east (like usual) or Greenland

          • hvb2 9 minutes ago
            I don't think he was badmouthing China at all. He's basically using different words to make the exact same point you're trying to make.

            When there's no real accountability, in a reasonable timeframe, it's much easier to plan long term.

            It's the same within companies. When the CEO assumes he'll be around for 5 years, should he shoot for the 10 year goal and reduce outcomes in the early years? Or does he just optimize for the next 5 years, thereby neglecting the long term goal?

          • close04 4 minutes ago
            GP isn't "badmouthing" China, that description applies to every decidedly non-democratic country, one leader with the power, not the people.

            Autocracies are great in the hands of a competent leader who plans the economy long term and the growth of the country for the benefit of the country and society (look up "benevolent dictators").

            In the hands of an incompetent and abusive leader autocracy is a nightmare that's supported only by fear and violence against the people. These are most dictatorships.

            China is straddling a middle ground where the country grew by leaps and bounds, faster than anything else in history probably, but they also use a heavy hand to do this.

            • Hikikomori 0 minutes ago
              Or you get trump, autocrat corruption without the planning.
    • close04 18 minutes ago
      > it just needs to get lucky enough to

      To not compete with something from a country which sees its interests threatened and has the power to squeeze you dry.

      The US intervention to apply pressure handed a weapon to an internal player, Masayoshi Son who just happened to make money selling US software. He used that weapon against his and US' competition. It's a playbook that the US used again and again when it saw its interests threatened by competition: hit the enemy hard below the belt while supporting another internal player who will also hit the enemy below the belt.

      Every other example you gave came from inside the US, even from the same company with multiple products. The market played the defining role there and pushed for survival of the fittest. In TRON's case "market forces" turned out to be US intervention.

  • msephton 40 minutes ago
    Great to see these screenshots. Thanks for posting! Nintendo joy cons run a version of micro TRON. And the software IntelligentPad used a lot of TRON concepts. https://blog.gingerbeardman.com/2023/05/17/intelligentpad-co...
  • socalgal2 5 minutes ago
    Feels like clickbait to me. There were lots of OSes.

    Things like GEM, OS/2, Next, BeOS, GeOS, MSX, ... they didn't succeed and I'm sure you can write some clickbait article about why with conspiratorial anecdotes.

  • charcircuit 1 hour ago
    By 1989 MS-DOS was already dominant in Japan. Without being able to run DOS applications I struggle to see it actually take off. Microsoft on the other hand released Windows 95 with compatibility with DOS applications and it took off.
  • ktallett 54 minutes ago
    This is a tricky one as it's similar to Amiga OS and Be OS where it's obviously so forward thinking but as other comments state that doesn't automatically lead to uptake.

    Of a similar ilk, I always felt the MSX base deserved a higher usage rate in the rest of the world, PC engine as a console too. Neither really took off elsewhere.

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