Mathematics in the Age of AI

(arxiv.org)

24 points | by jonbaer 2 hours ago

9 comments

  • glimshe 7 minutes ago
    Terence Tao sees a role for AI in science. I'm no genius but he basically described what I've thought all along... We don't need to be "all in" or "all out".

    It's the old cliche of "if you only have a hammer every problem looks like a nail". Let's not fall into the trap of thinking that our life needs to be 100% about AI or completely devoid of AI. We can really use this thing to make our lives better.

    Instead of wasting time on the question of whether we should use it, let's focus on HOW we'll use it.

  • sonicrocketman 54 minutes ago
    Tao's Rule of Thumb (which applies very well to software):

    > My own suggested rule of thumb: if the authors cannot convincingly demonstrate that they are able to give a clear, expert-level talk on their results, one that is correct and properly attributed, then the result should not be published. A proof that no human can properly explain should be viewed as incomplete, even if it has been formally verified.

    • czgov 45 minutes ago
      I wonder what his views on the 4 color problem are. One can explain it as the computer checked a bunch of cases and all maps reduce to one of these cases. It doesn’t take an expert to state this.

      Properly explain is an enormous grey area. Soon, I think, there will be proofs of results that are verified in Lean that are so long that no one will be able to “properly explain”. I don’t think they should be discarded.

      Resolution of singularities is a famous theorem of Hironaka. Abhyankar claimed that no one truly understood the theorem. He said that he and Zariski couldn’t get through the paper with a full understanding. But everyone accepts this theorem as being correct.

  • highfrequency 1 hour ago
    Terence Tao's quote about AI's math proofs is relatable outside of pure math: "the writing very often dwells at length on trivialities while passing briefly through — or even actively obscuring — the most interesting and novel portions of the argument."
  • rramach 32 minutes ago
    Terence argues that explanation of results ("understanding") will be the new bottleneck in math research but I am not sure this is the real bottleneck for progress.

    Understanding was critical for the field to progress when only humans were involved but if humans are not needed to make progress, I wonder if we split into two worlds: an AI math-world where amazing new results continue at a rapid pace bottlenecked only by compute/cost and a human math-world where we understand a subset of the AI math-world as a hobby (similar to Stockfish vs human chess).

    • tocs3 7 minutes ago
      In some sense "understanding" (understanding if it is true, if it is important, how to use it) is about the only bottleneck in math. Any theorem that you can write down or imagine is already true, false, not provable already. In some ways we can already start iterating through all the theorems. We will never get to the end (or really get very far down the line) and most all of them be trivial (I think the Busy Beaver[1] project is a fascinating example, ymmv).

      I am wary of AI in all aspects I am seeing it in but in many ways in mathematics seems to me the least troubling. It will change things in and the field will not be the same. Blacksmithing has not really gone away. You can still work as a farrier, if you like that sort of things. The tools that replaced a man working over a forge with a big hammer are part of a giant industry that is still producing works for the modern world.

      [1]: https://bbchallenge.org/8226493

    • plastic-enjoyer 9 minutes ago
      Somehow, I feel that progress, in your understanding of what progress is, loses all meaning.
  • sonicrocketman 1 hour ago
    Anyone else print their white papers before reading? (At least the short ones)
    • magneticnorth 1 hour ago
      When I was in academia and had easy access to a good printer, I always did. I miss it now that it's easier to just read on my screen.
  • tocs3 1 hour ago
    Maybe the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy series was predictive in pointing out the problems of ill defined questions (The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything).
  • qsera 28 minutes ago
    If the title have said in the age of "LLMs", I might have given it a try.
  • paulpauper 1 hour ago
    Not using AI puts one at a huge disadvantage in a career setting. Ai can find deep references better than humans now, let alone actually doing the math. The challenge is knowing which problems to tackle given the cost limitations. If you have $10k to spend on tokens, you have to choose problems that can conceivably be solved within this budget.
  • nadermx 1 hour ago
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