Gentoo bugzilla closed due AI bot scraper overload

(social.treehouse.systems)

62 points | by happosai 2 hours ago

9 comments

  • littlecranky67 30 minutes ago
    It is time for micropayments integrated in the browser. Pay 5 cents to access each bug report. Not fun, it shouldn't be like this, but better than not having a bugtracker at all.
    • kangalioo 20 minutes ago
      0.05 cents even. The beautiful thing is, minuscule amounts of micropayments are already enough to fix the incentives
    • csomar 7 minutes ago
      How many pages does the average software developer visit everyday? 1.000? Price at 0.001 per load and it’ll be completely impractical for crawlers but super cheap for the average connected human on earth.
  • mrweasel 1 hour ago
    While we're dealing with the same issue at work, I sometimes still wonder exactly who these scrapers are. OpenAI, Google, Anthropic and others are normally fairly well behaved (Minus Anthropic attempting to hide behind a browser-for-hire company). Mostly you can get IP range and user-agents for the large players, while it problems mostly stem from bots pretending to be Chrome.

    Our largest offenders seems to be mostly limited to South-East Asia, so probably mostly Chinese AI projects, but that's speculation. I also don't recall ever seeing Grok IP ranges or a specific Grok UA, but that doesn't mean that they're hiding, perhaps they're just not interested.

    • marginalia_nu 44 minutes ago
      Most of the nonsense comes through botnets/residential proxies, so it's very hard to say.
    • shevy-java 42 minutes ago
      Well, some websites claimed China is behind it, which could make sense (I would not know either way). At the same time, though, I kind of doubt your carte blanche here for all those companies. Why would you think none of them are responsible for the AI slop spam?

      > Our largest offenders seems to be mostly limited to South-East Asia, so probably mostly Chinese AI projects, but that's speculation

      Ok. So you also don't know. Well, I don't know either, but I don't make a speculation by claiming x, y, and z companies to be exempt. In my book they are all responsible.

  • ComputerPerson 1 hour ago
    There are definitely patterns you can use against the scrapers. This maintainer just didn't have time for it, which is understandable.

    We direct scraper traffic to a bot-specific server using Cloudflare's load balancer, slowly analyzing traffic and adding conditions one at a time. No accidental scraper DDoS in a long time.

    Most scrapers are relatively honest in some way shape or form.

  • jiffygist 13 minutes ago
    So where are bugs reported now?
  • c-fe 1 hour ago
    going on a bit of a tangent here - some discussion there seems to be imply that AI bots mostly use IPv4s, which makes sense to me given that they are probably bots hosted by some cloud. Whereas IPv6 may be more organic traffic from e.g. mobile users (not in this case probably)... which made me think if at some point IPv6 may at some point win against IPv4 just because its more organic traffic (i.e. not from big tech cloud), leading to pages blocking IPv4? Just speculation on my side
    • Retr0id 58 minutes ago
      The hardest-to-mitigate bot traffic tends to come from residential proxies, and most residential connections are still v4-only.

      However, it is also easy to get large numbers of v6 addresses cheaply.

    • neuroticnews25 1 hour ago
      This is weird, every VPS I've rented in the last 8 years had IPv6, and some didn't even had IPv4.
      • TingPing 18 minutes ago
        If a problematic bot is on any mainstream VPS it will just get shut down.
        • Symbiote 13 minutes ago
          How would I shut down a bot on Digital Ocean making over a million requests a day?
  • ece 16 minutes ago
    Every website that wants to, can just charge for dumps. Anubis or even Cloudflare can handle the rest I think.
    • Symbiote 11 minutes ago
      Scrapers will ignore the dumps.

      You can link to them in 10 million HTTP 429 responses, they will still ignore them.

  • shevy-java 44 minutes ago
    AI skynet is winning. It is stealing time from humans, thus forcing down their activity, as can be seen here.

    A headline would be great if those AI companies would close down. I hold them all responsible for this.

    • lilbigdoot 2 minutes ago
      Plot twist: the AI wins not through terminators but a kafka nightmare
  • calvinmorrison 53 minutes ago
    The year is 2026, somehow peoples basic web apps are not able to keep up with scrapers. Scrapers are not new. My side load is like .01 even with 10x the traffic of last year. It's called "serving static content", "caching" and many other things that are not new concepts.

    Then you've got good old cloudflare which is free to use

  • draw_down 26 minutes ago
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