Tell HN: I hate your fuzzy search

58 points | by tehwebguy 1 hour ago

18 comments

  • mmargenot 58 minutes ago
    Gmail's search on mobile, where things come up in the quick results only to disappear when I complete the search, is a millstone about my neck.
    • Tossrock 0 minutes ago
      Gmail search has really gone to the dogs, lately. The new AI inbox is surprisingly useful, though. No doubt a coincidence.
    • danielrmay 7 minutes ago
      This, and some results smartly ignoring the selected sort order because gmail suggests you "follow up", both work together to paint a vivid picture of a disassociated product team who no longer understands their customer.
    • mrngm 43 minutes ago
      Asana has the same problem. Really frustrating.
    • bentt 32 minutes ago
      Killing and restarting the app unbreaks this. Maybe someone from the team could, you know, fix that?
  • OptionOfT 4 minutes ago
    I put in a brand because I want _THAT_ brand, _THAT_ variant.

    If I want BR30 100W lightbulbs, don't show me 65W ones.

    Ads are supposed to be for fuzziness, not search results.

  • leros 48 minutes ago
    HackerNews search respects double quotes around your terms as an exact match, as do many other search engines.

    For example search for "Amerca" with and without quotes. Without quotes you get content for "America" but with quotes you only get the exact typo match.

  • Fannon 4 minutes ago
    I feel you, I also prefer precise search in most cases.

    In a private bookmark extension project, I explictly supported both and made it easy to switch them any time: https://github.com/Fannon/search-bookmarks-history-and-tabs

  • tetris11 1 hour ago
    Quotes should be enough to trigger an exact search. How we regressed from this is beyond me
    • mikewarot 56 minutes ago
      Strong agree... now if only there were a way to specify "text" followed by a non-character. Some words I need to find turn out to be prefixes. 8(
  • lukan 55 minutes ago
    Spotify's fuzzy search makes me want to do pirating again. Looking for a non mainstream artist can be really hard at times for no good reason than to appeal to the dumb average user. I even tried to build my own spotify player and going over the API - same shit (allmost).
    • inigyou 34 minutes ago
      Spotify really wants you to play Spotify's own AI music, since they get to pay themselves the artist royalty.
  • rahulmax 22 minutes ago
    From a UX perspective, try exact first, then fuzzy. Add an AI-assisted search if you have the patience to build it, and a few bucks for the API cost.

    I did the exact + fuzzy pattern on a project and it was so satisfying to watch people finding it useful.

    Try it here. https://trustedgyn.com/ (a directory, for public good, hopefully you never have to use.) Make mistakes in the search bar and the model fixes it for you. For folks who are not native english, I found it helps a lot.

  • archonis 56 minutes ago
    Exact match results followed by fuzzy match would cover most use cases, and clear toggles would cover the remaing ones.

    It boggles the mind why this particular wheel keeps getting reinvented in octoganal shapes.

    • habitue 8 minutes ago
      Exact match on a typo brings up a submission with that typo, which is likely low quality
  • NikolaNovak 34 minutes ago
    Oh man, I hate my area has switched to Facebook marketplace over Kijiji or even craigslist.

    Even when an ad exists with EXACT obscure model I'm looking for... It spits out pages of unrelated or semi related garbage before it may or may not show me what I'm actually looking for :-(

    Quotes, slashes, nothing seems to work. So I'm with you! Sometimes I just want an exact literal search.

  • ChrisMarshallNY 32 minutes ago
    I understand the comment, and the spirit, but speaking only for myself, I find the HN search to be quite useful.

    I'm thinking that double-quotes does, indeed, force an exact search.

    But fuzzy searches can be extremely useful. Most folks are "fuzzy."

    Google built a pretty huge empire, on simple, fuzzy search.

    • yallpendantools 9 minutes ago
      > But fuzzy searches can be extremely useful. Most folks are "fuzzy." > > Google built a pretty huge empire, on simple, fuzzy search.

      I was considering whether OP's complaint is an engineer's thing. My conclusion, based on my own experience is, the more your user base tends toward power-users/highly-skilled use cases, the less more deterministic your search should be.

      A random guy might try to look for a kid's novel series about wizards that sounds like "Happy Fathers". That's when you need Google-level fuzzy search to bridge that gap and suggest "Harry Potter". As a general search engine, Google encounters this a lot.

      Same guy asks a librarian, the librarian would instantly know what he's talking about. The Librarian searches the catalog for "Harry Potter" but might misspell it "Harry Poter" or search for "the philosopher's stone" in a US catalog. These cases can be fairly covered by deterministic search methods/classic indexing.

  • KolmogorovComp 15 minutes ago
    Teams, Zulip, WhatsApp, they all suck so much... Discord is decent in my experience.
  • alex1138 12 minutes ago
    Hello there Youtube with your lowest common denominator cheap trash in search results
  • yallpendantools 31 minutes ago
    Amen! I hate this trend towards fuzzy-first for everything. Deterministic should be default, fuzzy should be a special toggle.

    I'd say close to 90% of my daily searches could be served with exact matching. The next 8-9% could be solved by a little more deterministic sophistication (e.g., edit distance, equivalence classes for synonyms). Then the last 1-2% is when I really need some fuzzy magic; mostly to give me an idea what to do with obscure programming-related problems.

  • aeagentic 37 minutes ago
    Best search is windows where u get trash can Onlineshop when u look for the trash and terminal the movie if u look for the terminal
  • bawolff 1 hour ago
    > Not just HN

    Umm, does HN even have a search?

    Almost every site i've ever used the search of supported exact matches by putting the query in quote marks.

    • mplanchard 1 hour ago
      Search input box is at the bottom, yes
      • bawolff 59 minutes ago
        Oh wow. Never noticed that before. Guess im blind.

        Although when i tested it just now it did seem to support exact matches using quotes.

      • bdangubic 59 minutes ago
        absolute marvel of design. it is exactly where it should be!
  • rep_movsd 14 minutes ago
    How hard is it to do plain search first for crying out loud.
  • soupspaces 37 minutes ago