18 comments

  • eigenspace 44 minutes ago
    Quite the funny headline. It initially made me think that someone had come up with some sort of quantitative measure of the situational awareness of traders, and was claiming that there was an increase in traders making dumb trades that misread the situation or something.

    Ironically, I would describe this selloff as an increase in situational awareness.

    • HarHarVeryFunny 7 minutes ago
      Well, effectively that is kinda what it is saying, although it's the situational awareness of one particular trader it's referring to. The situational awareness of Citadel who scooped up their portfolio at fire sale prices seems quite good!
    • willchis 33 minutes ago
      Ha yes it definitely reads like an Onion headline.
    • NooneAtAll3 42 minutes ago
      ...what is the article about then?
      • 13unk0wn 39 minutes ago
        > Leopold Aschenbrenner’s hedge-fund firm Situational Awareness is down around 67% so far in July after incurring heavy losses on AI stocks...
        • HarHarVeryFunny 5 minutes ago
          More than just down - liquidated (sold to Citadel) due to pending margin calls.
        • jrrv 31 minutes ago
          Literally the first line
          • temp0826 9 minutes ago
            When I read a title it helps me to determine whether I want to read it or not. This one is tricky and confusing because the company name is stupid and was probably picked for the clickbait potential. This is absolutely one where I read the comments before the link.
      • bspammer 39 minutes ago
        The link is right there, and the answer is in the first paragraph.
        • an_account 18 minutes ago
          All I see is a paywall
          • iso1631 10 minutes ago
            All I see is an accusation of being a robot
          • bspammer 17 minutes ago
            The paywall does not cover the first paragraph
  • scrlk 33 minutes ago
    > Aschenbrenner party blamed short sellers who targeted the firm’s positions for exacerbating the fund’s losses, the letter said. The letter compared Situational’s experience to a bank run.

    4 years ago, it was SBF blaming Changpeng Zhao for shorting FTT and triggering a run on FTX.

    Now another EA has followed the path of making a lot of money relatively quickly and losing it just as fast, using the exact same arguments for why it happened.

    • mamonster 13 minutes ago
      >Now another EA has followed the path of making a lot of money relatively quickly and losing it just as fast, using the exact same arguments for why it happened.

      I would be very interested to know what he did with the management and performance fees (and how much they were) he gathered over the last 3 years. Just the perf fees from 2025 are probably enough to set him up for life. If he reinvested not so great.

      • hn_throwaway_99 1 minute ago
        > I would be very interested to know what he did with the management and performance fees

        I mean, I'm pretty sure he pocketed the money and got richer. Most hedge fund compensation structure has always (ironically, I'd add, given the name "hedge" fund) incentivized volatility over long term performance.

    • 2PqboPPmKegvanx 28 minutes ago
      >Now another EA has followed the path of making a lot of money relatively quickly and losing it just as fast

      let's be clear here - he didn't actually "lose" a ton of money. he was up 439% net in the first half of 2026.

      his issue was getting margin called due to being short on software (which went up) and long on AI infra (which went down) - getting margin called != losing money.

      • chollida1 7 minutes ago
        > let's be clear here - he didn't actually "lose" a ton of money. he was up 439% net in the first half of 2026.

        He's down 67% on the month. He most certainly lost alot of money.

        He'll be fine and i think he'll be successful at raising more money, and he's still up on the year as far as I've been told by LP's, but he sure did lose alot of money this month.

      • uncivilized 21 minutes ago
        Yes he lost a ton of money. He went from being up as much as you said to up only 80% and getting liquidated at that point. If it weren’t for Citadel stepping in to buy his investments who knows how much worse it could have gotten.

        The only thing you can argue is realized vs unrealized.

    • RIMR 25 minutes ago
      Sounds like someone took huge risks, incurred huge losses, and thought they were entitled to always win. It honestly feels good seeing these folks get knocked down a peg.
  • vessenes 1 hour ago
    This is everywhere. For reference, former FTXer and OpenAIer raised $225m into a hedge fund structure, went long and short, and reportedly peaked at $40bn of value; leverage bit hard this week and they sold their entire-ish portfolio to Citadel at $10bn. (Which, I imagine was very likely aiming at this outcome in their trading in the last few weeks).

    Not reported anywhere -- was additional money raised in to the fund, and what is the LP basis? The story might be: wunderkind 40x+ed his first hedge fund and sold it to Citadel, or it might be: wunderkind raised $20bn and turned it into $10bn fast trading against Citadel.

    Inquiring minds want to know!

    • Aboutplants 49 minutes ago
      Either way he ended up with enough money for a pardon
      • drexlspivey 39 minutes ago
        Pardon for what? The crime of losing money?
        • laidoffamazon 0 minutes ago
          Anything he wants!
        • RIMR 19 minutes ago
          Believe it or not, you are legally bound to act in the interests of shareholders.

          Though you cannot be pardoned from civil stuff, and the options to actually prosecute are pretty slim, so I doubt it.

          Though, even if this is just tongue-in-cheek, you can literally buy a pardon in America right now with just a little bit a money into the pockets of the Trump family, in case you didn't get the joke (that the US government is literally pro-corruption right now).

          • mikestew 10 minutes ago
            Believe it or not, you are legally bound to act in the interests of shareholders.

            Though a common Internet trope, this is incorrect. However, “legally” or not, you might find yourself unemployed should you ignore the shareholders.

      • 2PqboPPmKegvanx 35 minutes ago
        what law are you insinuating Aschenbrenner broke?
        • jghn 33 minutes ago
          I say this with absolutely no evidence and only stating it as a hypothetical. But as an example it would be plausible that insider trading was involved.
          • infecto 26 minutes ago
            Then why state it?
          • 2PqboPPmKegvanx 30 minutes ago
            trust us, it's quite clear you have no knowledge about the topic you are speaking on.
    • changoplatanero 49 minutes ago
      Say more about how citadel made this happen with their trading?
      • vessenes 34 minutes ago
        To be clear, I'm not claiming Citadel created double digit drops in SK Hynix / Samsung. I am saying that as market vol hits, vol traders might choose to make it worse. And when word hits the street someone has a liquidity position, prop traders WILL come and pressure. SA's filings were clear how concentrated they were, and this was known. In this case, Citadel (hedge fund) bought, while I imagine Citadel Securities would have been doing this (speculated upon) trading. We'll know more when the filings come out though. I'll be curious what of the portfolio they kept and what they worked / rolled in the market
      • infecto 43 minutes ago
        Firms like citadel will run crowding analytics, who owns what, at what leverage and rough margin trigger points. Over simplifying but they could be shorting the longs and going long on the shorts. Everyone generally knew situational was heavily levered.
      • jvsg_ 33 minutes ago
        Citadel spread the rumor that the Fed was going to hike rates this week. This led to Situational Awareness getting margin called on their longs.
        • energy123 4 minutes ago
          That's a meme conspiracy theory on twitter that nobody in the industry takes seriously.
        • moralestapia 28 minutes ago
          Quite similar to CZ and FTX.
    • moralestapia 29 minutes ago
      Wow, so, he narrowly avoided prison while at FTX, then went to work for Scam Altman, now does "investment funds" (a classic trope).

      The guy really really really wants to end up in prison, lol.

  • neom 1 minute ago
    Worth noting, even with the margin call, he's still up 80% on the year: https://www.ft.com/content/a0a5e3a7-c4e6-42a6-9a7b-a780422bc...
  • cmiles8 10 minutes ago
    An inexperienced portfolio manager that’s never seen a down tech market in his life has created a massively leveraged position on frothy assets in a bubble and the bubble is looking ill. What could possibly go wrong.

    Many of these AI plays are massively entangled and leveraged. It all looks good until it doesn’t and when there’s a hiccup things unravel quickly and exponentially. I fully expect in the next 12 months we’re going to see some rather spectacular investment implosions with folks losing their shirts. Get your popcorn ready.

  • asats 42 minutes ago
    >Even including July's losses, the fund remains up about 80% on the year

    Spectacular blowup and a lesson on leverage, but let's not miss this line.

    • bpodgursky 25 minutes ago
      It's hopeless, people see what they want to see.
  • scrlk 35 minutes ago
  • ymolodtsov 17 minutes ago
    I like how Matt Levine formulated it.

    His thesis was correct. The problem is, his thesis was measured in years if not decades when his funding was measured in days and hours.

  • bix6 17 minutes ago
    Situational Awareness. Fitting name.
  • alasr 49 minutes ago
    Martin Shkreli breaks down the collapse of Situational Awareness: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49119380
    • malfist 42 minutes ago
      Why are you promoting content by Martin Shkreli? You know, the guy who committed securities fraud to rip off desperate patients?
      • loco5niner 34 minutes ago
        I really don't like this guy, seriously he's a shark (he's probably right, but what a jerk): "If you know somebody has to liquidate, the best thing you have to do, unfortunately, sadly, Darwinian is to go sell all the positions you have in common, then start shorting everything they have. It accelerates the downfall as quickly as you can." of course then he says 'It's nothing I would ever do...'
        • infecto 32 minutes ago
          That’s truly the playbook when you are on the other side of a levered firm though.
          • loco5niner 22 minutes ago
            Yeah, probably. Its too bad.
            • ymolodtsov 16 minutes ago
              If there's any purpose in hedge funds as a structure it's that they provide liquidity for the market. So it's in everyone's best interest to let them do price discovery against each other.
            • literalAardvark 2 minutes ago
              Not really.

              Using leverage has risks that you're supposed to understand before you do it.

              It's not a free lunch, unless you're putting the sharks' interest ahead of yours. Or clueless, which was the case here, as L.A. is not a trader and has no business running a fund.

            • infecto 21 minutes ago
              Why too bad? This is how the market ultimately comes to the right price.
      • literalAardvark 22 minutes ago
        Because hn is primarily about competence, knowledge and tech, which Martin has in spades.

        The arguments against him barely hold water in general anyway.

      • baggachipz 9 minutes ago
        He's an absolute ghoul, and to see sibling comments praising him breaks my heart. Yeah, he "did his time", but he also took advantage of sick people for immense profit. You don't get a pass for that.
      • gessha 36 minutes ago
        You can still learn from thieves and crooks. Especially if they break down what they did and how they did it.
        • dgellow 28 minutes ago
          Just keep in mind you might be the mark of his current scheme
      • rib3ye 35 minutes ago
        He has done more for wallstreet-to-mainstreet transparency than you believe.

        His investor literacy youtube backlog is unusually deep and as of yet has only shilled his own trading product.

        But your point is valid, he will never live down the fraud conviction and his face is so punchable.

        • dgellow 29 minutes ago
          The shady crypto projects he did after his release are also good reasons to distrust the guy
      • WarmWash 39 minutes ago
        Like black hats getting cyber sec jobs, they probably know a thing or two.
      • jakevoytko 37 minutes ago
        If you’re gonna be a hater you at least gotta do it right! The pricing and the securities fraud were two separate things you can count against him.
      • infecto 35 minutes ago
        He is one of the few folks in finance who regularly streams and is directionally interesting. He served his time.
      • r_lee 37 minutes ago
        I don't think those two cases are related

        he's a relatively well known figure in finance and pharma investing

      • jvuygbbkuurx 33 minutes ago
        He has served his time for those crimes
      • petesergeant 36 minutes ago
        Because he’s an expert.

        Edit: I don't do podcasts but this is absolutely worth some of your time to watch.

      • ForHackernews 39 minutes ago
        seems like someone who is knowledgeable about financial shenanigans
      • zetanor 35 minutes ago
        Can you provide a comparable or superior analysis by someone else?
  • foltik 12 minutes ago
    Where do I sign up to get $100M to dump into long AI positions?
  • francisofascii 30 minutes ago
    Which AI stocks suffered a rout?
  • redwood 23 minutes ago
    Incredible that the founder is engaged to be wed this very weekend to the chief of staff to Anthropic's CEO
  • boringg 1 hour ago
    Yesterdays news. High leverage. Sounds like citadel got a deal.
  • iluvcommunism 29 minutes ago
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  • dogmayor 47 minutes ago
    Shocking to see a highly levered and highly concentrated fund blow out /s