Mondragon Corporation – a federation of co-operatives

(en.wikipedia.org)

135 points | by brnt 3 hours ago

5 comments

  • kingsfoil 57 minutes ago
    "Mutualism" by Sara Horowitz was an interesting book that discussed some of the history of this style of worker owned businesses. She traces some of it's history, and points out other examples of this style of worker or member governance showing up in other organizations: https://www.porchlightbooks.com/products/mutualism-sara-horo...

    Great read, highly recommend.

    • kingsfoil 43 minutes ago
      The National Center for Employee Ownership also maintains a list of 100 employee owned businesses in the USA: https://www.nceo.org/research/employee-ownership-100-largest...

      Employee ownership is not a silver bullet to every problem. The governance model and governing body of employee-owners has to be well constructed as with anything. As a philosophy generally, it has a lot of potential to avoid certain common problems with more traditional business models.

      In this space it's also important to understand the difference between cooperatives and collectives: https://institute.coop/about-worker-co-ops/worker-cooperativ...

      Credit Unions tend to be a more commonplace example of member/worker governance, though in my experience it's somewhat rare for the average member to engage much with the governance.

  • mtct88 1 hour ago
    Why don't cooperatives of IT professionals exist? It's a business with low capital entry and high dividends.

    Workers should prefer to own their company as risks are really low (in contrast to other industries).

  • johnnyainsworth 2 hours ago
    Worth noting that is completely legal in the USA and even encouraged by the tax code. They are called ESOPs (Employee Stock Ownership Program). An ESOP configured as an S-Corp that is 100% employee owned pays no federal business tax. Some examples of well known ESOPs in the US are Wawa, Bob's Red Mill, and W. L. Gore & Associates (makers of Gore-Tex).
    • mikojan 48 minutes ago
      Employee stock ownership is a leap forward and studies consistently highlight its economic benefits.

      However, Mondragon, and co-ops like it, go further. They are industrial democracies: one worker, one vote.

    • oldandboring 54 minutes ago
      Well, sort of. Technically speaking, S-Corps by definition pay no federal income tax since they're pass-through entities. If the sole shareholder of an S-Corp was an ESOP, the income is passing through to it. The ESOP has beneficiaries (the employees) whose shares sit in a trust. Income to the ESOP isn't taxed at the moment of filing, it's deferred: when the beneficiaries take distributions according to their shares, they pay ordinary income tax in that year.
  • feverzsj 1 hour ago
    They moved most production work to factories in China, which ironically aren't cooperative.
    • jollyllama 31 minutes ago
      How'd that happen if it's one worker, one vote?
      • hibikir 20 minutes ago
        Because the workers are also shareholders, and shareholders like money either way. Some of their business units were becoming extremely uncompetitive. So they ship a bunch of the manufacturing away to subsidiaries where you are not really a member of the coop: You aren't getting shares if you are in many of those other subsidiaries. They still managed to build a class system anyway. If you work at their retailers, you aren't the same as if you work at their Basque factories.

        As for workers that were part of the coop in uncompetitive jobs, they moved them around as they could, but ultimately no amount of union or coop-like behavior is going to help if you are getting outcompeted.

        A lot of people think it's all wine and roses when you get more worker input, but then you realize quite a few of the warts come straight from having a bunch of people with different amounts of power, and you still have power differentials even if everyone votes.

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  • petrocrat 2 hours ago
    Worker cooperatives are fully compatible with capitalism. Only mentioning it because sometimes this idea gets unfairly maligned due to some mistaken association with socialism or even communism. There should be more of these sorts of entities in the USA and Europe, and frankly everywhere. It's an assured route towards better conditions for the working class, by making them owners and stakeholders in a more substantial way than merely holding some stock equity (which is kind of a superficial ownership that's sometimes presented as this same type of worker cooperative ownership).
    • 01100010x 2 hours ago
      Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars Trilogy, especially Green and Blue Mars, provide a nice fictional exploration of this idea. I think Mondragon may even be name dropped.
      • wtfwhateven 1 hour ago
        Yes it is! the Mondragon Accords. my first thought when seeing the title :) had no idea the name was based on something real!

        Have been listening to an audio-book of 2312 when I have the time to be fully attentive

    • inigyou 2 hours ago
      Capitalism is not simply free markers - it means "control by people with capital." People control society proportionally to how much capital they have, and those who control vast boards of capital are very uninterested in allowing capital to be spread around more equitably.
      • js8 1 hour ago
        The parent post is not even the worst offender. In his (otherwise good) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_Things_They_Don%27t_Tell_Yo..., Ha-Joon Chang completely flips the meaning between free markets and capitalism.

        I would say that capitalism is not only characterized by private ownership of capital, but also by free market for labor, which could be almost considered a complementary feature (other side of the same coin).

        On the other hand, socialism primarily rejects free market for labour in favor of worker emancipation and participation in decision-making. So both socialism and capitalism are compatible with free markets; it's the labor market where the opinion differs.

        (As a socialist, I would add, salaries cannot be treated in economics the same way as e.g. price of apples, because apple doesn't care what its price is.)

    • EGreg 1 hour ago
      It is quintessential socialism: collective ownership (of the “means of production”).

      It is just embedded in a market system, just as, say, USSR or Cuba was embedded in the global economy.

      That doesn’t make it not socialist.

      And not all socialism is “bad”. It has to do with whether it is voluntary or not. I am a libertarian, and I fully support communes, housing cooperatives, credit unions and the like. I consider the lack of a superfluous extractive landlord or shareholder class a feature.

    • mikojan 32 minutes ago
      It is not a mistaken association. Socialism traditionally meant workers control over production. Work councils in Germany originally pursued direct workers control over respective businesses. Unions in Germany pursued some version of this well into the 1950s. Most socialist movements in Europe understood this to _be_ Socialism until the Soviet counter-revolution swept it all away.

      And there is another forgotten truth. Before the Soviet counter-revolution, liberals advocated for this type of Socialism.

          The form of association, however, which if mankind continue to improve, must be expected in the end to predominate, is not that which can exist between a capitalist as chief, and work-people without a voice in the management, but the association of the labourers themselves on terms of equality, collectively owning the capital with which they carry on their operations, and working under managers elected and removable by themselves.
      
      - John Stuart Mill
    • roenxi 2 hours ago
      It remains confusing that, after centuries of profiting off capital generally being a much better strategic choice than profiting off labour, workers insist and persist in trying to make labour work.

      If the unions had dumped their efforts into co-ops instead of trying to fight their own companies then they might have managed to have a positive impact. They've been at it for long enough for capital accumulation to have kicked in even at pathetic rates of saving.

      • anon7725 43 minutes ago
        You may be surprised to learn that if one does not have capital, yet does have the capacity to labour, then one may seek to make labour work rather than profiting from capital.
      • vjvjvjvjghv 48 minutes ago
        You can’t profit off capital if nobody does the labor. We need both roles and both deserve respect.

        What would Musk do if nobody worked for him? He is probably not going to be able to develop rockets alone in his basement.

      • soco 1 hour ago
        I call free weekends, 40 hours work week, no children work all positive impacts of the unions. And there are for sure more of these.
      • kdfjgbdfkjgb 1 hour ago
        capitalists profit of labour, it's just other people's labour.