What is happening to jobs? Separating AI hype from reality

(siepr.stanford.edu)

23 points | by pod_krad 1 hour ago

6 comments

  • simonw 30 minutes ago
    A challenge with this kind of study is that coding agents (Claude Code, OpenAI Codex) only started working really well in late November, which for most people meant early January due to the December break.

    General agents (OpenClaw, Anthropic Copilot, ChatGPT "Work") started working even later than that.

    This category of software may have a much more meaningful impact on work than the mostly-chat systems we were using from 2022-2025.

    Studies that mainly focus on 2022 to end of 2025 might be missing out on a material uptick in capabilities.

    • majormajor 9 minutes ago
      Anecdotally I'm seeing a lot more recruiter activity/interest now than this time last year.

      But it seems more correlated with hype-cycle-stage than anything else. Right now a lot of founders seem to be convincing a lot of VCs that they can make $LOTS by replacing/changing $BIG_INDUSTRY/$BIG_PRODUCT with an agent-first blah blah replacement, and then using that money to hire more people to manage/execute/coordinate the coding agents...

      Last year, by comparison, there seemed to be a mood of "software will stay the same but will require less people" while right now there's a lot of hype around "we can build different types of software or build it in different ways" and those early-stage things are in growth-mode. That guarantees nothing about how many people they'd need in the future, or their success at all, ofc.

      The news that I'm getting from contacts in non-startup-land is a bit different - still layoff threats. Still pressure to use AI tools more. Mixed confidence on whether or not longer-running "agent" modes are that much more effective-without-breaking-things in legacy code if not used with care.

    • AbsurdCensor 25 minutes ago
      This isn’t the first study showing this though. It’s pretty simple, programmers and IT were severely overhired during the pandemic, there are massive job losses now, and it’s easy to blame AI when in reality there are a lot of economic factors and AI isn’t increasing productivity as much as anyone would think.

      Maybe the future will change that for very specific things, but I think people should be learning and preparing for that, which isn’t any different than what everyone has been told in every job market since the start of the Industrial Revolution.

      • simonw 20 minutes ago
        I personally hope that AI continues not to result in a noticeable negative impact on employment and that pandemic over-hiring turns out to be the major factor for all of the layoffs.

        I'm nervous that the studies which show that so far don't seem to be taking the 2026 improvements in coding and general agents into account.

    • 01100011 14 minutes ago
      This. Also I'm finding out that, after being blown away by agent mode lately, non-agent mode still kind of sucks across frontier models. Using GPT and Gemini in non-agent mode is asking for inaccurate information confidently presented as the truth. Turning on agent mode fixed a lot of that for me.
    • Seattle3503 26 minutes ago
      It does feel like we are in a transition period, and its not clear what conclusions we can draw about any sort of "steady state" yet.
    • raincole 25 minutes ago
      Any research on the impact of AI would have been lagging indicators. It's not the researchers' fault[0], but the nature of a field moving at neck breaking speed. Remember there was a paper saying programmers were 20% slower with AI?

      [0]: well...

    • ares623 4 minutes ago
      And this is why the labs cannot just "stop training and become profitable". I can't imagine they would like it if studies like this will actually become credible.

      "Move fast like a blur so people can't see that you have no clothes"

  • fathermarz 26 minutes ago
    Recently poked around the job market to see what I qualify for in this day and age. Working as a solo builder in my org I would say that I have done enough in the last 18 months to consider myself “with it”.

    What I found was pretty brutal. Companies asking for 4 years of agentic AI experience… pardon?

    Then it hit me.

    Oh they are all making shit up now and have no bar that anyone can hit because they are believing in the hype without understanding the fundamentals.

    GREAT. Even as I climb the AI-Native ranks, I apparently am unqualified for any AI-Native job.

    • caminante 11 minutes ago
      Use it in your favor.

      You just have to get past the recruiter/talent acquisition where everyone else is getting auto-rejected. You should be doing that anyway.

    • georgemcbay 7 minutes ago
      > Companies asking for 4 years of agentic AI experience… pardon?

      Not that I am trying to excuse it, but this is not a new thing, nor specific to AI.

      Job listings that ask for X years of experience where X years is sometimes literally longer than the technology has even existed has been a staple complaint of developers over my entire career, and I'm old af.

  • bloaf 23 minutes ago
    Organizational inertia is a real thing. There are still fortune 500 companies with internal bans on AI. A lot of the answer to "how much impact has AI had" comes down to "how much have we even attempted?"

    In my workplace, we're going to decline to renew some software subscriptions because a non-programmer vibe-coded their replacement in a week.

    The impacts are here, they're just not evenly distributed yet.

    • nicce 11 minutes ago
      > In my workplace, we're going to decline to renew some software subscriptions because a non-programmer vibe-coded their replacement in a week. The impacts are here, they're just not evenly distributed yet.

      Interesting to see the impact in the long term when battle tested software gets replaced with vibecoded variants by non-programmers. Does it increase data breaches or quality actually goes up?

  • JSR_FDED 10 minutes ago
    By now I feel I can write these articles:

    - benefits of AI murky to slightly positive

    - hiring impact limited except for junior level

    The problem is that these two statements each have massive implications, so instead of treating these findings as point in time snapshots they are the whole ballgame and should be explored in depth.

  • 01100011 20 minutes ago
    I don't feel like reading an article that will probably be out of date in 6 months, but from what I've seen, if agents keep improving at this rate, 80% of SWEs are going to be looking for new careers in 5 years.
    • usef- 15 minutes ago
      Or the amount of software increases tremendously
      • ValentineC 5 minutes ago
        I'm surprised the layoffs worldwide hasn't produced more entrepreneurs building their own software product.
      • nicce 9 minutes ago
        Seems like all companies think that their products are good enough and can’t offer more, as they always want to remove people instead of offering better and bigger products.
        • bluecheese452 3 minutes ago
          At some point your issue tracker or text editor is done. No need for it to automatically schedule your haircut as well.
          • nicce 1 minute ago
            But the company that has a text editor that can read your mind is going to bankrupt you, as it is faster than typing
      • bluecheese452 9 minutes ago
        No one will use it.
  • bluecheese452 6 minutes ago
    Every job loss and suicide is a dollar in an AI investor’s pocket.