7 comments

  • BugsJustFindMe 12 minutes ago
    > "post-trained to know when it's wrong"

    Is it also post-trained to know when it's wrong about whether it's wrong?

    > "Every response comes with a confidence score between 0 and 1"

    How confident is it in its confidence?

    Please, I'm sure that what you're doing is very neat and useful, but use other language to describe it. I beg you. You can't know when you're wrong. You can only know when you're unsure or inconsistent. You can be absolutely certain and still wrong and uncertain and still correct.

    • mistrial9 3 minutes ago
      IMHO this also depends on the type of assertion.. For example, one system defines three broad classes of assertion : pure opinion (I like green); factual references (the current temperature here is 20c) ; and the rest in a catch-all about "reasoned judgements"

      Complex assertions and their compounded forms can be filtered by these classes fairly easily. I rarely see this referenced in general comments.

  • mncharity 21 minutes ago
    > the hidden state for different layers carry meaningful self-awareness signal for various situations.

    Is it plausible to wonder if some developer judgement feels, like maybe "the code I just wrote is clean/crufty", or "things came together smoothly/janky", might have extractable signals in some models?

    If so, might one create a shopping list of desired signals to check for in a model, as with activation steering concepts, where one checks whether and how hard each concept can usefully be nudged?

  • olafura 20 minutes ago
    Was actually pulling on a similar thread as I saw announcement so I integrated it just for fun. Have been only running this on my Framework Desktop but should be runnable elsewhere https://github.com/olafura/gemma-4-mic-transcribe
  • astrobiased 2 hours ago
    Is this in any way similar to Goodfire's work? https://www.goodfire.ai/research/rlfr#
    • HenryNdubuaku 2 hours ago
      Thats an interesting outlook, loosely similar.
  • zdw 1 hour ago
    Have you benched this for coding tasks, with a fallback to a larger local model, for example Qwen-3.6-27B?

    Or using it for sub-tasks, where a framework with a larger primary model dispatches simpler jobs ("summarize ...", etc.) to it?

  • cacio-e-pepe 6 hours ago
    > So we did mechanistic studies on small models, Gemma 4 particularly, and found the hidden state for different layers carry meaningful self-awareness signal for various situations.

    Neat! Just to make sure I understand - you trained your probe layer to take this hidden state and predict p(wrong)?

    Curious to learn more. Any more info on your approach (esp the mechanistic study)?

    • HenryNdubuaku 4 hours ago
      Correct, the study is verbose, we will compile into a neat shareable report and publish once we solve the pending caveats. Interesting username btw haha.
  • huflungdung 59 minutes ago
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