7 comments

  • PowerElectronix 59 minutes ago
    Tough week for euros. Cars that record your face while driving and now apps snooping on communications.
    • artisinal 56 minutes ago
      Perhaps in the future cars will not only record your face but also listen in for hate speech. Most cars have SOS and GPS modules so calling the police if someone in the car shouts a slur is just connecting some code together.
      • yubblegum 23 minutes ago
        Why do you think this is only going to be in Europe? This will be the global norm modulo some astroid hitting earth or civilizational crash.

        The trajectory is crystal clear: access to information (AI), control over personal finance (CBDC), privacy of personal communications (handful of big tech MITM in everything), metered social interactions (today China, tomorrow the world over).

        • ButlerianJihad 18 minutes ago
          You say that like it’s a bad thing
          • john_strinlai 1 minute ago
            i am interested in hearing why you think it is not god awful
          • RIMR 0 minutes ago
            I mean, I get that these things are typically matters of opinion, but if you value things like freedom and privacy, these things are objectively bad.
      • Z0rp 52 minutes ago
        Car could also become judge and executioner. Swift justice is just one curve away
        • ThrowawayTestr 28 minutes ago
          Drive you straight to prison
          • artisinal 17 minutes ago
            It is cheaper for the government to just lock the car doors for the length of your sentence. Saves them space in prison. You are allowed to use the McDrive twice a day. The windows will drop 8 centimeters, enough for a Big Mac.
            • Bender 1 minute ago
              Assuming they implement the seat from Idiocracy so that one can deposit the resulting waste from the food. The car will need to empty itself somewhere as well.
      • shevy-java 54 minutes ago
        Well, it is some kind of social control. People who conform, have more rights than those who reject fascism.
    • andrepd 21 minutes ago
      Cars sold for the past years already record and transmit all your movements and telemetry, I'm sad to say.
    • mito88 46 minutes ago
      the children... :)
      • Cider9986 33 minutes ago
        It's not particularly effective with school shootings in the USA.
        • joshuat 10 minutes ago
          what about...
    • mito88 45 minutes ago
      test
    • sscaryterry 14 minutes ago
      Honestly, it is mostly a reaction to how society has evolved, for the worse. Rock and hard place.

      The worst thing I have to hide is knowledge about my intentions, none of which are bad/illegal/immoral.

      Scan away, I'd rather try to protect my children, other children from unscrupulous characters.

  • inigyou 27 minutes ago
    The Chat Control 1.0 rule is simply that organisations like Meta are allowed to scan messages if they want to. In other words your Facebook messages are not private from Facebook. Surely we already knew and expected that.

    Chat Control 2.0 is the worrying one because it mandates scanning and bans E2EE.

    These two things should not have both been given the same branding.

    • Cider9986 3 minutes ago
      The name "Chat Control" is great because it implies a lockdown on free speech and the exact consequences that are going to happen to everyone.
  • kubb 11 minutes ago
    When is it coming online? I have seen so many of these headlines that I feel it's always about to kick in, but I never get any closure.
    • watwut 8 minutes ago
      This was online already. It is existing law that is being extended rather then expired.
  • pton_xd 25 minutes ago
    I don't understand the EU's position on privacy. On the one hand, they enacted GDPR to give you control over access to your personal data.

    On the other, they need access to all of your data.

    • munk-a 19 minutes ago
      The EU's position on privacy seems pretty consistent to me - they're against your data being monetized by private entities but not against building governmental tools to monitor private entities.

      In good faith this could be summarized as "Personal data should be used for public safety but not for profit" - but that philosophy is definitely a strong contrast with the basic American philosophy towards civil liberties.

      • watwut 9 minutes ago
        > basic American philosophy towards civil liberties.

        Errrr, america does not look like country that cares about that. It does care about liberties of rich companies tho.

        • inigyou 3 minutes ago
          Exactly, that is the American philosophy being referenced.
    • bossyTeacher 0 minutes ago
      It is simple. GDPR is aimed at private entities misusing your data. Keyword private.
    • JoshTriplett 18 minutes ago
      I think the position can best be approximated as "companies should not be able to do this, but you should trust your government to do this to you". (That's a bad position that needs to be defeated every time it arises, but it's a consistent position.)
      • sscaryterry 11 minutes ago
        Given the choice of trust between, lets say Amazon/Meta/Google and the EU (or some European government), 9 times out of 10, the EU is the lesser evil.
        • JoshTriplett 6 minutes ago
          We are not required to pick amongst evils. We could, in fact, say private chats are private, end to end encryption is sacrosanct, go away.
    • ggirelli 22 minutes ago
      Not "access to ALL of your data". Also, as confusing as it might be, it is in the nature of EU (at least IMHO) to not have a clear position over multiple legislatures.
    • inigyou 17 minutes ago
      The one that passed doesn't give them access to anything. It is different from the scary one.
    • mhitza 19 minutes ago
      Maybe big tech weren't good a lobbying bureaucrats against GDPR but got better at lobbying in the EU for this. There's also been a slight shift towards authoritarianism in the last decade, which naturally love the possibilities of stricter communication control.

      Children protection and russian propaganda are the tried and tested covers at enforcing age verification, message scanning, and probably any future pan-european surveillance network.

  • ChrisArchitect 2 hours ago
    • Cider9986 31 minutes ago
      I feel like this one should not be removed because people want to continue discussing and that's easier on a newer thread.
    • vaylian 36 minutes ago
      Different news source. But same topic.
      • ChrisArchitect 33 minutes ago
        Welcome to share the url over there. Duplicate discussion.
  • shevy-java 54 minutes ago
    Slaves also have no right to privacy. This EU variant is doomed to failure.
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