The footgun of right-to-left decorative characters

(blog.alexbeals.com)

29 points | by dado3212 4 days ago

6 comments

  • dhosek 2 hours ago
    Mixing R-L and L-R scripts (as has been discussed here on many occasions) is a ripe arena for mysterious behavior. Given that even monolingual texts in R-L scripts will often include L-R characters, it can get hairy quickly. A desire to try to avoid having visible markers in text around the transitions is partly why the Unicode spec around bidi text is so complicated.
    • helterskelter 1 hour ago
      > A desire to try to avoid having visible markers in text around the transitions is partly why the Unicode spec around bidi text is so complicated.

      Yeah but at least we can read ancient boustrophedon-style texts in plaintext, the way they were meant to be read, free of 21st century anachronisms like indication of directionality.

      Unfortunately, we're still waiting for Unicode to cover Rongorongo, which has lines of alternating orientation for two readers sitting opposite one another to take turns reading it line by line.

  • Georgelemental 2 hours ago
    If you are using plain text and don't have access to HTML or CSS markup, you can follow the RTL character with U+200E LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK to achieve the same effect. And even if you do have access to those things, using U+200E ensures that operations that strip markup (like copy-paste) don't break your text.
  • Dwedit 54 minutes ago
  • rhplus 2 hours ago
    Disappointed that xn--sei.com or <insert fleuron here>.com is apparently registered but not redirecting to ornately decorated texts.
    • mapontosevenths 21 minutes ago
      Most browsers don't render punycode .coms very well the way we'd hope for these days. Homoglyph attacks ruined the fun.
  • wang_li 1 hour ago
    The Unicode committee needs to be dissolved or else Unicode is going to evolve into a full page markup scheme to rival pdf.
    • JuniperMesos 21 minutes ago
      Human written language is genuinely complicated; Unicode (or something that solves the same problems Unicode is trying to solve) actually does need to be a complicated specification.
    • Georgelemental 1 hour ago
      People are going to use Arabic and Hebrew whether you want them to or not
  • SoftTalker 2 hours ago
    This is why I stick to standard ASCII.
    • dhosek 2 hours ago
      The millions of people who write in RL languages would like a word…
      • jjmarr 1 hour ago
        More like the billions of people that use non-Latin languages, or even Latin languages w/ accents.
      • Chu4eeno 2 hours ago
        We need to force the entire world to switch to Esperanto written in pure ASCII for reduced carbon emissions from glyph layout algorithm overhead and peace and unity.
        • JuniperMesos 22 minutes ago
          This is a bad idea for several reasons, not the least of which is that the Esperanto version of the Latin alphabet itself uses a number of unusual diacritics which are important for disambiguating words.
      • grayhatter 2 hours ago
        a word, or a drow?

        But I'd also like a word with them. Or anyone else who might have a suggestion for "required reading". I'd like to think I know better than to use ascii art when it might flow into rtl text, but I wonder what other assumptions I've made that I should be aware are assumptions.

      • qingcharles 1 hour ago
        *laughs in Traditional Mongolian*