The Private Capture of Public Genius

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46 points | by martialg 3 hours ago

5 comments

  • marcus_holmes 1 hour ago
    This was interesting right up until "The fund pays every eligible American the same amount each year. "

    I'm in Australia. I've contributed my share of dirt to the delta. Why do I not get a share of this?

    I get that the frontier companies are (for the moment) US companies. But that's just corporate ownership, it's not what we're talking about. We're talking about compensating the people who wrote the training data for their contribution. That contribution came from all over the world, so the Corpus Fund needs to be paid all over the world.

    Set it up in the UN, get the UN to provide the training data sets as a common good, and have the UN collect the money from all AI companies using the training data sets. And the UN should distribute the money in the most equitable manner globally (so most of it going to alleviate poverty, probably).

    I'd happily trade my collected years of shitposts to help folks get out of poverty.

    • martialg 38 minutes ago
      Author here. Thanks for reading!

      I have additional essays coming out that will address this exact issue and other issues I know that people will raise.

      I’m building the essays series around arguing for practical policy I believe can get implemented and am sequencing it as thoughtfully as I can. I just can’t fit every argument into every essay.

  • abalashov 3 minutes ago
    It was a brilliant article, and it succinctly captured the offenses to ethics and humanism posed by LLMs.

    I'm not sure it'll get a lot of reception in the technocracy here on HN, whether of the AI booster or AI nihilist sort. However, I think it's a very comprehensive digestion of the questions that will swirl around the idea of LLMs as a public good in the near to medium future.

  • typ 1 hour ago
    We cannot always want to capture only the (temporary) winners whenever we see a lucrative business and expect to share a free ride. I'd also assume that most of the revenue these AI labs are making is turned into depreciating fixed capital (hardware) and OPEX at this point.

    Why don't we capture Meta and Google as they allegedly take advantage of more publicly available information for profit? Let alone the truly valuable knowledge, like mathematics, has nothing to do with the majority of garbage posts that an average person would "contribute" on social media.

    If we really want to tax or nationalize some economic activity, then, in my opinion, the target should be what it takes from society, not what it produces for society. By this logic, we should tax all labs, including those lagging ones, that utilize the public knowledge.

    However, if everyone can access the public knowledge without rendering it less useful or reducing its available quantity, there should be no reason to tax it.

    • martialg 10 minutes ago
      Author here. Thanks for taking the time to read.

      I agree we’re in an interesting era where frontier research has shifted from mostly publicly funded to mostly private and it creates challenging incentive structures especially regarding externalized costs of research.

      Did you have any thoughts on my argument of how public knowledge does get damaged by the proliferation of AI over time?

  • hyperhello 1 hour ago
    There’s a quote about how in some articles a switch is quietly flipped in the middle where the article was talking about what is and suddenly the author has everything to say about what should be.

    I googled for the quote but all I got is useless web spam and meme style graphics about quotes from writers. But AI told me it was David Hume and provided the full quote.

    The real question is when the day will come that AI become the fertile muck that a new thing grows from and clings to and the legal system needs to adjust to. I hope it’s a good thing.

    • quuxplusone 31 minutes ago
      Sounds like you're thinking of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem . Wikipedia quotes David Hume's "A Treatise of Human Nature" 3.1.1 as follows:

      > In every system of morality which I have hitherto met with [...] the author proceeds for some time in the ordinary way of reasoning [...] when of a sudden I am surprised to find that instead of the usual copulations of propositions is and is not I meet with no proposition that is not connected with an ought or an ought not.