12 comments

  • mettamage 2 hours ago
    As the article points out. The researcher’s site has an exploratory tool to view the data [1].

    [1] https://www.socsc.hku.hk/rhps/global-migration/

    • gadders 43 minutes ago
      If you pick 2023/2024 and the UK, you can see the disaster that is the Boris Wave.
    • jtbayly 16 minutes ago
      That tool could be interesting if there was a way to stop the rendered globe from spinning. As is, it is unusable
      • sss111 11 minutes ago
        if you click and hold on a country, it stops spinning :)
  • Supernaut 1 hour ago
    Further down the page, there's a link to an article from a couple of years ago, titled "Migration isn’t increasing".

    So which is it?

    • swiftcoder 1 hour ago
      There's a quote from one of the study authors:

        "Because previous estimation methods relied on coarse five-year snapshots, 
         they yielded very few data points and created the impression that the rate 
         of global migration flows was stable," adds co-author Guy Abel, a research 
         scholar in the Migration and Sustainable Development Research Group of the 
         IIASA Population and Just Societies Program and professor at the University 
         of Hong Kong. "Our annual data provides a clearer picture, revealing that 
         this rate has actually risen since 2000. This upward trend appears to be 
         driven by long-term demographic shifts and economic development rather than 
         sudden, isolated crises."
      
      So if I'm following correctly, when you look at coarse data, you miss a lot of the smaller-scale migration, and that small-scale migration pushes the totals up a lot?
      • bcjdjsndon 50 minutes ago
        Their dataset is so pathetically small you can't infer anything from it. There are still people alive from the India/Pakistan migration in 48 and that would be number one on this list
  • ricardobeat 1 hour ago
    Interesting how South America, with several countries made up majorly of immigrants, receives almost no new migrants now.

    Meanwhile the middle-east population is fleeing and being replaced with asians?

    • igleria 1 minute ago
      At least in Argentina that is because it's not the land of opportunities it used to be in the late 19th/early 20th century.
    • Cthulhu_ 1 hour ago
      "fleeing" and "replaced" are loaded terms, I don't think you can derive that from this data. That said, there's a lot of workers being imported from Asia to the middle-east for their ambitious construction projects, could that explain it?
    • joseda-hg 31 minutes ago
      Internal migration has mostly saturated capacity all accross the region in South America

      It'll take a while until anyone relaxes

    • bcjdjsndon 52 minutes ago
      > Meanwhile the middle-east population is fleeing and being replaced with asians?

      Persians brought Hinduism to India, so maybe they're returning the favour

      • rnoises 9 minutes ago
        Eh? Persians gave the name "Hindus" to the people living in that area. But they had their own religion, Zoroastrianism. They didn't bring Hinduism because they didn't have Hinduism.
  • swiftcoder 1 hour ago
    Fascinating to see that MENA is a net positive on migration. There's often a lot of rhetoric around MENA migration to Europe and North America, but you hear much less about migration to MENA countries.
    • pjc50 1 hour ago
      The Gulf states take in a lot of migrant workers, who have basically no labour rights there.

      https://www.ilo.org/regions-and-countries/arab-states/united...

      "The UAE hosts some 8.7 million migrant workers – equivalent to over 80 per cent of the country’s resident population – making it one of the largest foreign labour-receiving countries in the world. With Emirati nationals mainly employed in the public sector, migrant workers constitute the bulk of private sector employment"

    • Cthulhu_ 1 hour ago
      I think people underestimate how many people move back to their home country once they have a better chance (through e.g. education or money) and / or when the situation there improves (e.g. stability). It's why I don't understand why the anti-immigration parties don't do more internationally to help other countries.
      • expedition32 2 minutes ago
        Because we, correctly, assume that some countries are simply beyond saving. Throwing good money after bad.
    • nirav72 46 minutes ago
      Isn't migration to MENA - specifically migration to North Africa mainly from Sub-Saharan part of Africa?
  • nobrains 1 hour ago
    Why has , recently, Pakistan been seen added more and more to a new category "MENAP" and separate from South Asia (i.e. India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh) ?

    These classifications should be geographic and could even racial, but it seems this new classification (MENAP) seems more "religious"

    • ricardobeat 1 hour ago
      Pakistan being “south asia” makes about as much sense as Turkey and Saudi Arabia being labeled “west asia”. Technically correct, odd choice for modern communication.
      • t0lo 20 minutes ago
        Pedantic response that makes light of a real issue. In case you haven't noticed, not every "western" country is actually in the western hemisphere.
    • kdheiwns 1 hour ago
      In America at least, all the hot deserty places between Europe and India=Middle East. I only started hearing the term "South Asia" to refer to places like Pakistan after encountering more non-Americans online. Afghanistan is also considered as part of the Middle East to basically every average American (hence why it's lumped in with all those "Middle Eastern wars"), but I'm not sure if it's seen that way in other areas.
    • bcjdjsndon 54 minutes ago
      Bangladesh is Muslim though
  • bcjdjsndon 55 minutes ago
    *data doesn't go back beyond 2000, safe to ignore
    • pjc50 52 minutes ago
      ???

      Data quality issues usually get worse the further back you go.

      • WillAdams 14 minutes ago
        Yes, but there are (in)famous examples such as the partition of Bengal (the tiger which Britain feared) being partitioned into Pakistan and India, which when included would provide a useful metric for the scale of human suffering involved.
  • nomilk 1 hour ago
    Only 1.7m people left North America in 2023 (4.4m arrivals). Would be interesting to compare to figures from 2025.
    • gcanyon 1 hour ago
      > interesting

      You have a funny way of spelling "sad" my friend.

  • firesteelrain 1 hour ago
    Can someone explain the graphic?
    • blondie9x 1 hour ago
      The graphic seems vague and not particularly revealing.
      • firesteelrain 48 minutes ago
        I was trying to figure out the inflow and outflow. It looks bidirectional.
        • rawgabbit 18 minutes ago
          Europe and Central Asia added people. So did North America.

          Middle East, North Africa, Afghanistan, and Pakistan was flat.

          Other regions lost people.

        • FrustratedMonky 44 minutes ago
          Left to Right.

          Leaving, Arriving.

          • firesteelrain 14 minutes ago
            In that case the observation is that North America is getting a more diverse set of immigrants
  • gaiagraphia 1 hour ago
    Here's the actual graph/data in question. The article is a dense academic snooooooozefest:

    https://www.socsc.hku.hk/rhps/global-migration/

    Ffs, trying to click on a country and the globe keeps rotating, hahah. When i click on nations, it doesn't tell me the numbers either, there's just these blobby lines :/

    Not very usable.

    • Milpotel 53 minutes ago
      Options -> change projection helps a little bit.
  • anonli 2 hours ago
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  • somelamer567 1 hour ago
    The year 2000 also happens to coincide with the rise of the Putin regime. One of their favourite methods of statecraft is to spitefully lash out at perceived "enemies" by using their enormous information-warfare capability to stoke irregular immigration in ways to maximise chaos in countries that Russia hates and resents.
  • curiousObject 2 hours ago
    People who believe they are financially secure may move from regions which are considered “wealthy” to regions which are seen to be “poorer” (and cheaper). This outflow can influence this data.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/american-...

    • swiftcoder 1 hour ago
      > This outflow can influence this data

      Influence how? Migrations from wealthy to poor regions are still migrations, no?