Who's the Smartest Corvid?

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25 points | by NaOH 1 day ago

4 comments

  • JohnMakin 1 hour ago
    One of the craziest behaviors I have seen was from a murder of American crows in a big city area sidewalk I walk down frequently - occasionally, I have observed homeless and vagrants throwing stuff at them, because sometimes they sleep under the powerlines where the crows like to perch and I think the crows defecate on them or something.

    It's well known they can carry grudges, but one day, as I was walking down the sidewalk, a pretty sizable rock smacked the pavement next to me, seemingly out of nowhere. If it had hit my head I would have been hurt. I finally look up and see a big crow staring directly down at me - it had dropped it from the power lines, it had seemingly been intentional, maybe as a warning, I don't know. I attributed it to malice towards the vagrants that harass them.

    I was amazed at how much intelligence it would take to 1) form a grudge 2) form intent to threaten/harm, 3) formulate a plan using a weapon with cause -> effect to execute intent, 4) wait for opportunity.

    I have observed a lot of very intelligent behaviors from these birds but that was the wildest one. I have seen it happen once since, so I'm convinced it isn't an accident.

    • prerok 26 minutes ago
      I remember reading an article in National Geographic of how crow's brains are much more interconnected than is the norm in mammals, i.e. IIRC they have a higher density of synapses between neurons. From that article, it seems that the usual brain weight vs. body weight to determine intelligence, which seems can be used to approximate intelligence in different species of mammals, cannot be used for birds (or at least crows, which the article was focusing on).

      In other words, they seem to achieve better results with smaller brains than we thought. And yes, crows (in EU) do exhibit some pretty intelligent behavior.

    • UncleOxidant 43 minutes ago
      They're even apparently able to pass their grudges along to other crows who did not have first-hand experience with the subject of the grudge.
    • cortesoft 42 minutes ago
      My understanding is crows can recognize individuals, so I would think back to what you did to piss off that crow, or that crow's friends.
      • JohnMakin 41 minutes ago
        I was guessing just a general preference towards anyone in their area. I have certainly never done anything harmful towards them.
        • shimman 0 minutes ago
          Crows have been known to harass distinct individuals over others, even going as far as to teach other crows about this person.

          I wonder if this was an elder crow whose eyesight has decreased with age and gave out the wrong descriptions to their friends. :D

      • bitwize 37 minutes ago
        As demonstrated in humans, the ability to recognize individuals is little impediment to resentment based on group membership.
    • fritzo 1 hour ago
      By "sizable rock" do you mean large pebble or small boulder?
      • JohnMakin 1 hour ago
        A little larger than a golf ball.
  • noelwelsh 14 minutes ago
    Equipping cats and dogs with talking buttons (see, for example, https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBh-BXgsO9IjhN-thTLvm... or https://www.youtube.com/@floundercat) has me shown there is a lot more going in their little heads than I suspected. There are examples of cats describing their dreams, or worrying about what will happen in the future, or theorizing about the nature of the world (in a very naive way).

    Birds have higher neural density than mammals (https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1517131113) so can pack a lot into their tiny heads. I do wonder what they'd have to say, if given the chance.

  • tejohnso 48 minutes ago
    Chasing a bird of lesser intelligence so that it slams into an office building window seems especially cruel.
    • fortran77 33 minutes ago
      Birds chase coyotes so they slam into the sides of cliff walls, sometimes even painting a fake tunnel to fool the coyote.
  • ball_of_lint 1 hour ago
    Probably Grip?