10 comments

  • danans 3 minutes ago
    > They lost. So why did it still cost us $400 million?

    Did the article provide a direct answer to this? I see the $20M delay payments to contractors and the rise of labor costs cited, but is that all?

  • nayuki 4 minutes ago
  • altairprime 11 minutes ago
    Can the county remove Atherton from its services coverage boundaries until the $400M of costs have been recouped?
  • smcg 27 minutes ago
    I think we should have a letter writing campaign to shame residents of Atherton. There's not that many of them.
    • Animats 24 minutes ago
      I've never been able to figure out what's so great about Atherton. The houses are big, but other than that, it's nothing special. Woodside is a nice horse community with hills and sequoias. Los Altos Hills used to be; there was a time when the Los Altos Hunt ran the town. Palo Alto is next to Stanford. Portola Valley used to have more patent holders per capita than anywhere else in the US. Atherton is just a bedroom town on flatland with big houses.
      • segmondy 6 minutes ago
        sometimes that's it... you're thinking they are not great and if others feel the same, then it's no wonder they feel insecure and are fighting footing for recognition.
      • nielsbot 4 minutes ago
        don’t forget cachet among well off people.
      • alephnerd 2 minutes ago
        > I've never been able to figure out what's so great about Atherton

        It's 90s/2000s tech and finance money - excluded from Woodside so Atherton was the next best thing back then.

        Not being around Asians played a huge role as well - in the 2000s, Saratoga, Cupertino, the Fremont Hills, and the parts of Palo that fell under Gunn High became "Asian" and we were viewed negatively by Silicon Valley types back then. I remember the white flight first hand [0].

        > Woodside is a nice horse community with hills and sequoias

        Older money (1950s-1990s)

        > Palo Alto is next to Stanford

        Palo Alto was much more "middle class" (think like Fremont is today) back then

        [0] - https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB113236377590902105

    • jmspring 21 minutes ago
      Atherton residents include people like founders of A16Z, Stephen Curry and others. The funny thing, 10-15 years ago, a number of residences were second houses and generally empty.

      Back about 15-16 years ago, there was an international incubator BlackBox based out of one of the properties in Atherton.

      • nine_k 3 minutes ago
        Time and again, a small group of people who have motivation and resources wins against numerous members of general public who are neither coordinated nor motivated enough.
    • JumpCrisscross 19 minutes ago
      > we should have a letter writing campaign

      The state should be able to collect damages for frivolous NIMBY lawsuits. I don’t care if they’re ashamed. If they’re fine paying more taxes to behave like idiots, who cares.

      • alephnerd 8 minutes ago
        Where do the fundraising events for House, Senate, and the State House happen ;)

        Atherton is a vibe, but it's an older demographic of tech and finance successes (the 1990s-2000s scene).

        • JumpCrisscross 6 minutes ago
          > Where do the fundraising events for House, Senate, and the State House happen

          Atherton is wealthy. But it’s surrounded by the Bay Area. Atherton is uniquely civically engaged, but that’s about it. Palo Alto, Los Gatos, Cupertino and San Francisco can each muster more capital than it can, to say nothing of LA.

  • reducesuffering 11 minutes ago
    Atherton resident Marc Andreessen Apr 18th 2020: "It's time to build"[0]

    Andreessen family 2 years later: "IMMENSELY AGAINST multifamily development! I am writing this letter to communicate our IMMENSE objection to the creation of multifamily overlay zones in Atherton... They will MASSIVELY decrease our home values"[1]

    [0] https://a16z.com/its-time-to-build/

    [1] https://therealdeal.com/san-francisco/2022/08/08/marc-andree...

    • austin-cheney 0 minutes ago
      I can sympathize.

      People in my town, Fort Worth, have been saying the same things for years. People were moving in too fast causing home values to sky rocket, so everyone was saying they need to build houses faster to prevent a property tax explosion. You can only build single family homes so fast, so then came the hundreds and hundreds of multi-family apartment campuses and home values immediately tanked. They got what they wished for. Now we have traffic, electric grid, and school system over crowding because they still can’t build everything else fast enough. Even still people keep moving in, about 65 new residents a day.

    • micromacrofoot 7 minutes ago
      it's time to build (ew, no not here... somewhere else)!
  • outside1234 42 minutes ago
    CEQA is basically a weapon for the rich to stop anything. It needs massive reform.
    • surfmike 32 minutes ago
      • JoshTriplett 27 minutes ago
        Also AB 2503:

        > expand that exemption from CEQA to include a public project for the institution or increase of other passenger rail service, which will be exclusively used by zero-emission trains, located entirely within existing rail rights-of-way or existing highway rights-of-way.

      • loeg 24 minutes ago
        Directionally correct, but doesn't go far enough.
        • JumpCrisscross 17 minutes ago
          Is there any serious argument against repealing CEQA? NEPA exists. As do public lands.
      • sroussey 25 minutes ago
        Exemptions for favored things. Should do a full reform.
      • sandeepkd 22 minutes ago
        Unfortunately it does not works as intended all the times. From what I have personally observed, everything falls down to the city planners on the interpretation of the code changes.
        • mlyle 13 minutes ago
          I'm confused; AB2503 does specify some building standard changes ... to be studied and then adopted by 2032.

          We're talking about how it exempts many things from CEQA litigation. Since it's been less than a year, I'm not sure how well we can gauge its effectiveness.

  • refulgentis 11 minutes ago
    I agree completely and empathetically and vehemently with the idea behind the message.

    The slop & aggressively poor argumentation, the kind that I think would have caused me to fail it if I tried it in speech & debate in middle school, leaves me feeling empty.

    They keep saying $400M, $400M, $400M, $400M, and the only cost they came up with is $20M. It makes me uncomfortable to support the overall cause if this is how it'll be played, because, setting aside morality of tactics, it's not playing to win. Anyone who is at the margins will see it plainly and be given a reason not to listen.

  • quantumwoke 22 minutes ago
    I hate LLM writing so much.
    • em-bee 4 minutes ago
      i we are going to complain about AI content then i suggest we also include some evidence to make the argument at least somewhat insightful. i'll start: pangram gives this a 100% score, on account of the em-dashes. remove those and the score drops to 49%.
    • refulgentis 7 minutes ago
      Note to future selfs? (-selves?)

      Around Opus 4.6 release it got good enough people tried laundering it all the time, and around 4.8 the group dynamics were such that it was worse to call it AI writing than launder it as your own.

      Regardless, there was still enough of a taboo around it that the way people would try to launder it began to often include an AI-generated "sources" table, which was also aggressively bad, but lord knows no one reads those. So it was just another sigil that misled.

  • rayiner 22 minutes ago
    Local governments are obsolete, a holdover from when you had to have a government entity over areas within a day’s horseback ride. States should disestablish these towns and counties and reorganize them as administrative subdivisions of the state that answer directly to the governor and state legislature.
    • lostlogin 2 minutes ago
      While you’re at it, why not disestablish the state and have everything federal?

      There is value in local control - with some glaring exception.

    • dnnddidiej 10 minutes ago
      That sounds too extreme. I like Australia where states (ok much less populated than US states!) have certain building powers esp. to build rail infra but local can manage planning rules pertaining to an area but within a state level framework.
    • jeffbee 12 minutes ago
      It would take like two minutes to cross Atherton on a horse.