Let's talk about EU Sovereignty (2025)

(musings.martyn.berlin)

13 points | by mooreds 1 hour ago

2 comments

  • boredatoms 2 minutes ago
    So when is France/Germany going to subsidize a local competitor
  • petcat 15 minutes ago
    > Yes, the EU “cloud providers” are lagging behind but they’re catching up. Scaleway, Herzner, and others are there, and you should check them out if you’re starting a business in the EU.

    I would argue that these aren't even "cloud providers", they are just VPS providers. Which is fine, but it's not the same thing.

    There really isn't any European "cloud" service at all, which is a huge part of the problem. And I doubt there ever will be because who would even build it?

    It would cost billions and billions of euros just to be "not AWS" (but worse in every way except location). Who is investing in that?

    • tormeh 7 minutes ago
      You cannot possibly with a straight face claim that Scaleway is a VPS provider. Hetzner, sure, but Scaleway offer compute and database services in the same way that AWS does - just fewer.
    • maccard 4 minutes ago
      > There really isn't any European "cloud" service at all, which is a huge part of the problem. And I doubt there ever will be because who would even build it?

      Lidl! https://horovits.medium.com/lidl-is-taking-on-aws-the-age-of...

    • yubblegum 7 minutes ago
      > And I doubt there ever will be because who would even build it?

      My money would be on the French.

    • mooreds 8 minutes ago
      > Who is investing in that?

      Big companies that see the opportunity to be "Not AWS"?

      A VPS provider who wants to grow their marketshare?

      Nation states?

      Not saying it'll be a small effort, but if the US continues to wield national laws to coerce American companies to negatively affect European citizens, it's possible.

    • nish__ 7 minutes ago
      No. "Cloud" is a marketing term for VPSs.