Number in man page titles e.g. sleep(3)

(lalitm.com)

81 points | by thunderbong 4 hours ago

10 comments

  • mjlee 3 hours ago
    If you like man trivia (and why else would you be reading this?) you could check out the top comment at https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/405783/why-does-man...

    (discussed at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27994194)

    • qiine 1 hour ago
      "The developer of the man-db, Colin Watson, decided that there was enough fun and the story won't get forgotten"

      Haha! Adequate amount of fun was provided, please resume regular man activities.

    • porise 3 hours ago
      Reading this makes me wonder if Easter eggs are ever appropriate for something as ubiquitous as man.
      • embedding-shape 27 minutes ago
        Personally I think ubiquitous software is even more important to have Easter eggs, because they're the most widely distributed, and we want as much joy as we could possibly have, before you know.
      • bombcar 1 hour ago
        Easter eggs are always appropriate but it is imperative (and important) to understand how they could affect anything and everything.

        Which means you need to usually make it explicit to call them (man --abba or something) than something that "surprises" the user.

  • beej71 29 minutes ago
    My favorite piece of man trivia is from the source of the tunefs BSD man page, which contains:

        .\" Take this out and a Unix Daemon will dog your steps from now until
        .\" the time_t's wrap around.
        .Pp
        You can tune a file system, but you cannot tune a fish.
    
    https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/blob/main/sbin/tunefs...
    • gmassman 24 minutes ago
      I guess the joke is you can scale a file system or a fish, but can only tune a file system?
      • fragmede 22 minutes ago
        Tuna is a type of fish so the joke is that they sound the same.
  • gerikson 3 hours ago
    > (... less common section numbers)

    One very important section number is 5 - it's for file formats. So if you forget the crontab format, you need to invoke `man 5 crontab` to read about it.

    • linsomniac 2 hours ago
      ... because if you do `man crontab` you get section 1, which does not document the crontab fields.
      • voidUpdate 1 hour ago
        In fact, the only reference to crontab(5) is in the SEE ALSO section (on my version anyway), but that doesn't say why you might want to see crontab(5), just that it exists. That is spectacularly useless
      • driftcoder 43 minutes ago
        man -k crontab is the real trick here. shows both sections so you don't have to already know the number exists.
        • voidUpdate 13 minutes ago
          It only shows a description though.

          Incidentally, man --help on my machine shows "-k, --apropos equivalent to apropos", which isn't very useful. I know the two are equivalent, because they're on the same line of switches, what does it actually do?

          With some further man digging, apropos is actually a separate program that looks through man page names/descriptions for the argument. Unless you run it with no arguments, in which case it just outputs "apropos what?" Instead of an actual error message like "No search term provided" or something

      • IshKebab 2 hours ago
        That is incredibly stupid. A documentation system designed by someone who doesn't understand how people use documentation.

        If man was designed by someone with any taste at all it would at least give you a menu to select (1) crontab command, (5) crontab file format. Maybe we need a rewrite in Rust to fix that.

        • ajross 34 minutes ago
          > If man was designed by someone with any taste at all it would at least give you a menu [...]

          My goodness. Man was written on a paper teletype.

        • rascul 1 hour ago
          It does that, depending on implementation.
        • bpt3 1 hour ago
          Or a minor alteration to an existing program to support a good suggestion.

          Why is it that the Rust community thinks that the solution to every flaw in an application is a rewrite in Rust?

          • mattkrause 12 minutes ago
            It might be more helpful to write a Rust-based snark detector first.
  • chasil 2 hours ago
    The POSIX standard manual pages for the utilities can be found here:

    https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/idx/xcu.htm...

    These would all be in section 1, if I am correct.

  • PhilipRoman 2 hours ago
    Interestingly, the section doesn't actually have to start with a number. TCL man pages use the 'n' section and 'man' resolves them just fine despite the ambiguity. Conversely, manpage names can also start with numbers, although this is rare (I found only one such example: man 30-systemd-environment-d-generator)
  • s20n 1 hour ago
    For me man(3) is the most interesting of them all.

    Run `apropos . | grep "(3)"`; you'll be surprised how many libraries come with man pages for their functions (e.g; curl).

    Now I wonder if there are any IDEs that can automatically dial into these man pages and pull up documentation for functions?

    • burnt-resistor 12 minutes ago
      There's guaranteed to be some sort of context-sensitive man plugin for vim &| nvim for shell scripts.

      Also, have you ever seen the DOS Borland IDE context sensitive help UX?

  • kykat 3 hours ago
    I looked up what the numbers mean a couple of times, but always forget it immediately
    • burnt-resistor 11 minutes ago
      Section meaning varies somewhat widely by *nix flavor.
  • pfdietz 48 minutes ago
    I'm feeling old now.
  • LtWorf 3 hours ago
    Step 1: Read `man man`

    Step 2: Feel the urge to write an article about that

    • semiquaver 22 minutes ago
      Ideally, read or write while listening to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Man
    • sakjur 3 hours ago
      I admire people who do that.

      Writing down what you learn cements knowledge, and sharing what you write might help someone else.

    • Stratoscope 3 hours ago
      Is there a man man man article that will explain how to read man man?
      • bombcar 1 hour ago
        The full documentation for man is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info program is properly installed at your site, the command

                      info man
        
        
        Ah that crap is/was so rage inducing!
  • amelius 3 hours ago
    Confession. I think I haven't read manpages since stackoverflow and certainly not since LLMs.

    Perhaps the modern version of "man" should be a program you can talk to.

    • johannes1234321 20 minutes ago
      That may "answer" a specific question. And all llms can do as they include manpages in training data (and any Agentic thing can search) however the value in reading documentation is that one can find different angles by learning about different options, which allow tontackle problems from a different perspective. The answer to a question is constrained by assumptions which are part of the question.
    • Normal_gaussian 1 hour ago
      It's called Claude. Or Gemini-cli. Or any other agent capable of running man.

      "Hey <agent>, use `man` to help answer these questions about grep"

    • xigoi 2 hours ago
      Please no. I want to read the manual without having to talk to anything.
    • nicman23 3 hours ago
      i have made llms read manpages, it is great lol