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  • miyoji 6 hours ago
    You can read the actual pledge at [0]. The executive order regarding it is at [1].

    There's some speculation in the comments about what is or isn't in the pledge. I recommend reading it yourself.

    [0] https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2026/03/ratepayer-protec...

    [1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/03/rate...

    • AdieuToLogic 5 hours ago
      It is important to remember that clarifying the legal implications of "pledge" is entirely different than supporting and/or defending this instance of its usage.

      One can do the former whilst repudiating the latter and remain logically consistent.

    • dsl 4 hours ago
      It all seems like a backdoor to let tech companies build power generation on site without all the red tape and sell the excess power to consumers. This indirectly allows them to offload some of the fixed operational costs onto consumers.

      We just approved the first nuclear plant in 20 years to a company owned by Bill Gates and in a state that has basically nothing but farmland and a Microsoft datacenter.

      This absolutely cannot backfire. /s

      • simianwords 3 hours ago
        What’s wrong with this?
        • ipaddr 3 hours ago
          Price of power goes up and the local people are not connected to the benefits. You might think they will receive a lot of money in taxes but you would be wrong because they have tax breaks.
          • sparky_z 2 hours ago
            Why would adding a new supplier to the market cause the price of power to go up?
            • myrmidon 55 minutes ago
              Because on-site powerplants owned by datacenter operators are not "just another supplier".

              The threat is: This "datacenter power" disincentives buildout of "free" powerplants (by eating up significant demand at very low margins thanks to basically vertical integration); this slows down buildout of "normal" infrastructure (possibly both grid connectivity and power), and the electrical energy market becomes worse for consumers than it is now.

              I personally think all of this is very speculative for now, but allowing industry to rely on the grid (which they still would!) while almost exclusively "buying" their own power is a risky proposition from a consumer perspective.

              • soulofmischief 34 minutes ago
                Not to mention the danger of energy production, even nuclear, becoming resource-constrained to the point where datacenter power plants leave no room for municipal plants. We're seeing it happen with consumer hardware; make no mistake on who will get preference.
  • h4kunamata 6 hours ago
    This is USA so we all know that those techs companies won't pay a cent back at the end, but the population will.
    • bpodgursky 5 hours ago
      The tech companies don't really have any issue paying for the capacity, this is a negligible cost compared to the compute capital, they just want streamlined regulatory approvals to bring the plants online.
  • fulafel 7 hours ago
    Does it include externalities (co2 emissions)?

    Increasing natural gas generation is of course disastrous policy with a major death toll from the climate disaster, there needs to be a rampdown of fossils use and production.

    • adrianN 5 hours ago
      The only realistic way to "bear the cost" of CO2 emissions is paying for getting atmospheric carbon back into the ground. Right now that seems difficult to do at scale. The best way I know is making charcoal and burying it. Offsetting 1kWh needs on the order of 200g of wood turned into charcoal and buried.
      • erpellan 55 minutes ago
        Making charcoal releases CO2 though? How does that help with carbon capture?
        • AngryData 38 minutes ago
          You don't HAVE to make it into charcoal, but it will take up way more volume if you don't and contains tons of volatiles like methane that will come out and may make the ground less stable to simply bury with dirt as it partially rots.

          Theoretically you could harness some of those volatiles for some energy production, but at the very least use those volatiles to heat the wood and make it charcoal for basically free.

    • burnt-resistor 2 hours ago
      Sound and particulate pollution too.
    • warkdarrior 6 hours ago
      There are no such things as CO2 emissions in this administration. Your AI chatbots will be powered by clean coal and you'll enjoy it!
      • cyrusradfar 36 minutes ago
        /s this guy gets it. Thank you, finally speaking my language
    • analog31 6 hours ago
      While we're at it, water use is another externality.
    • deaux 6 hours ago
      Strange downvotes for a relevant question.
  • deadbolt 7 hours ago
    We're all gonna end up paying for this and everyone involved knows it.
  • cs702 7 hours ago
    "The invisible hand" of free markets has become truly invisible...
  • stevefan1999 41 minutes ago
    Stealing from the people; enriching myself
  • mcs5280 7 hours ago
    Non-binding and voluntary = a bunch of lip service
  • yanhangyhy 30 minutes ago
    It feels like ordinary people are becoming increasingly unnecessary. With AI, data centers, and big corporations, they don’t really need ordinary people anymore apart from their own employees. Capitalists only need robots and artificial intelligence to serve them, and ordinary people could just be put in zoos for display.
    • DeathArrow 29 minutes ago
      >Capitalists only need robots and artificial intelligence to serve them

      That doesn't make sense because robots and AI won't have money to buy goods and services.

  • dolphinscorpion 5 hours ago
    As long as they promised. Their word is golden
  • otterley 4 hours ago
    I find the whole thing a little odd. They’re basically pledging to pay their electricity bills. So what? So does every business.

    Saying they’re going to pay for generation and transmission adds little. That’s already baked into the charges! It’s like saying they’re going to finally pay for the farmers to grow the produce and the drivers to get the produce to market when they buy apples--as though spontaneous generation and teleportation was ever an option.

    • ZeroGravitas 1 hour ago
      An actual problem was them trying to avoid paying.

      They'd ask the utilities to make Gigawatts of energy available over the next two decades and the utilities would say "No problem, just sign here and agree to pay for us building out the grid to support that".

      Then the AI companies said "No we only want to pay for energy if we actually use it, if we go bust or decide not to use the energy in a couple of years we want you to charge all the others consumers to recoup that cost".

      No idea if that's addressed here. I'm assuming not.

      It was never clear if that reflected uncertainty about future demand or of they just like shifting costs and risk onto other people whenever possible.

      edit: the pledge references this problem, whether it actually solves it I don't know.

    • simianwords 1 hour ago
      They are pledging to not only pay for their own bills but rather increase the supply of electricity itself. This will reduce retail electricity prices.

      This mean retail consumers are paying less for electricity than what they would have paid if not for the pledge.

      • podgorniy 1 hour ago
        What if they pay own bills (why is this even a subject of discussion?), increase supply (formally), but electricity prices still go up anyway? Just curios if scenario from my descrition even possible...
        • simianwords 1 hour ago
          that could happen because the demand could rise even more.
  • burnt-resistor 2 hours ago
    Like trickle down economics? Fool me once ...
  • bitwize 5 hours ago
    Some towns in my state are already complaining about the noise from turbines supplying on-site power to a data center that's been built here. They're keeping people up at night. I'm broadly supportive of a "techie go home" movement.
  • powerpcmac 6 hours ago
    The only people who believes corpo jackoffery these days are either boomers or people investing their remaining money in big line go up
  • SilverElfin 7 hours ago
    Do they pledge the costs of noise pollution and damage to water sources? Let’s be honest - these pledges are theater that reflects an agreement between tech oligarchs and the Trump administration. The pay the bribes via donations or whatever, and get back this deceptive theater show.
  • pcdoodle 7 hours ago
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  • madhacker 6 hours ago
    Trump helping tech bros sell more data centers. A pledge is moronic. You pay for what you use since time immemorial. Don't need to redefine existing words with new meaning.
  • 7thpower 6 hours ago
    Even if the pledges are in good faith, people are being naive about how utilities work.

    The general goal for utilities has been to pursue the next “thing” and work toward some sort of regulation to lock in demand, which can be used as a lever to seek price increases and consolidate.

    If there’s margin to be had, the utilities will find a way, and prices will go up either way.

  • techblueberry 8 hours ago
    Wait a “pledge”? What are the legal protections of a “pledge”?

    Claude:

    “To your main question — is a pledge a legal document? Generally, no. A pledge is a public commitment or statement of intent, not a binding legal contract. The agreement doesn’t appear to carry any concrete, binding commitments. There’s no penalty mechanism or enforcement structure the way a contract would have.“

    • AdieuToLogic 7 hours ago
      Using Claude to provide a legal definition of "pledge" is unconvincing at best.

      > What are the legal protections of a “pledge”?

      To answer that question is to first agree upon the legal definition of "pledge":

        pledge
        
        v. to deposit personal property as security for a personal 
        loan of money. If the loan is not repaid when due, the 
        personal property pledged shall be forfeit to the lender. 
        The property is known as collateral. To pledge is the same 
        as to pawn. 2) to promise to do something.[0]
      
      Without careful review of the document signed, it is impossible to verify which form of the above is applicable in this case.

      > A pledge is a public commitment or statement of intent, not a binding legal contract.

      This very well may be incorrect in this context and serves an exemplar as to why relying upon statistical document generation is not a recommended legal strategy.

      0 - https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1544

      • techblueberry 7 hours ago
        Wait, we know it’s not your definition, because it’s inapplicable.
        • AdieuToLogic 7 hours ago
          > Wait, we know it’s not your definition ...

          Of course it is not "my definition", as I cited the source of it.

          > ... because it’s inapplicable.

          Take that up with law.com.

          • staticman2 6 hours ago
            Your goal seemed to be to fact check Claude. I'm not sure why your failure to do so should be taken up with law.com?

            Law.com's first definition is inapplicable. That leaves us with the second definition, which says nothing about whether a pledge is legally binding.

            • AdieuToLogic 6 hours ago
              > Your goal seemed to be to fact check Claude.

              No, this is not my goal. My goal was to illuminate that Claude is a product which produces the most statistically relevant content to a prompt submitted therein.

              > I'm not sure why your failure to do so should be taken up with law.com?

              The post to which I originally replied cited "Claude" as if it were an authoritative source. To which I disagreed and then provided a definition from law.com. Where is my failure?

              > Law.com's first definition is inapplicable.

              From the article:

                The pledge includes a commitment by technology companies to 
                bring or buy electricity supplies for their datacenters, 
                either from new power plants or existing plants with 
                expanded output capacity. It also includes commitments from 
                big tech to pay for upgrades to power delivery systems and 
                to enter special electricity rate agreements with utilities.[0]
              
              > That leaves us with the second definition, which says nothing about whether a pledge is legally binding.

              To which I originally wrote:

                Without careful review of the document signed, it is 
                impossible to verify which form of the above is applicable 
                in this case.
              
              0 - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/04/us-tech-comp...
      • retrochameleon 7 hours ago
        Your answer is less useful and thought out than the Claude response. Claude actually answers the question in the context in which it's being asked.
        • AdieuToLogic 7 hours ago
          > Your answer is less useful and thought out than the Claude response.

          "Less useful" is subjective and I shall not contend. "Less thought out" is laughable as I possess the ability to think and "Claude" does not.

          > Claude actually answers the question in the context in which it's being asked.

          The LLM-based service generated a statistically relevant document to the prompt given in which you, presumably a human, interpreted said document as being "actually answers the question". This is otherwise known as anthropomorphism[0].

          0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphism

        • behringer 6 hours ago
          The AI slop is still slop in any context.
      • xeonmc 6 hours ago
        Is it the same kind of pledge as alluded to in the Amber Heard trial?
    • mattas 7 hours ago
      Pledges are somewhere between a pinky swear and a high five.
    • vjvjvjvjghv 7 hours ago
      It's a PR exercise that makes both the companies and the administration feel good. Not more. There will be no or just cosmetic change.
    • AnthonyMouse 6 hours ago
      > Wait a “pledge”? What are the legal protections of a “pledge”?

      That's the boring part until you look at what they're promising to do.

      It's not as if existing data centers were getting power by sending a masked rogue to climb the utility pole, tap the lines and bypass the electric meter. Paying for electricity is the thing they were going to do anyway.

      Likewise, paying for "new generation capacity" is the thing they were probably going to do regardless, because colocating large data centers with power plants saves the expense of power transmission which lowers their costs.

      And as the article alludes to, the real question is when? In general you can build a data center faster than you can build a power plant, which is exactly the reason data centers can cause short-term electricity prices to increase. They temporarily cause demand to exceed supply until supply has time to catch up. So on the one hand the whole issue is kind of meh because it was only ever going to be a temporary price increase anyway, and on the other hand having them build power plants at the same rate anybody else is building power plants doesn't actually change anything or address the temporary shortfall. (If you really want to solve it, find a way to build power generation capacity faster.)

      And then it doesn't matter if you can enforce the promise because they're just promising to do things they were going to do anyway.

    • thejazzman 7 hours ago
      considering how we uphold treaties im not sure the terminology matters one way or the other
    • drak0n1c 6 hours ago
      Most forms of company civic greatness in the past were essentially pledges, much of the time unspoken. It's certainly possible, we don't need to be cynical.
      • techblueberry 6 hours ago
        The thing about the old days is, they’s the old days.

        And yes this particular group of professional liars provide every reason to be cynical.

      • magicalist 6 hours ago
        > Most forms of company civic greatness in the past were essentially pledges, much of the time unspoken.

        You're looking at the the conditional the wrong way. You want to look at how often pledges lead to "company civic greatness" (or even, you know, anything net positive) to start guessing at the value of a given pledge.

    • lurk2 6 hours ago
      You can just use a traditional search engine for this. I have no interest in reading your LLM output.
    • Freedom2 7 hours ago
      I'd be cautious about using Claude, given that they're designated as a supply chain risk by the US Government. Why not use the approved and officially certified ChatGPT instead?
      • XorNot 7 hours ago
        I'm assuming there's a missing /s tag there.
    • SpicyLemonZest 7 hours ago
      I don't think there's any mechanism in US law for anyone to make a binding promise about terms they plan to include in contracts they might sign with unspecified local governments in the future.

      Congress could pass a new law requiring it, of course, but I think we all understand that this would not accomplish the administration's real goal of letting Trump prove he's the specialest boy and everyone has to give him what he wants.

      • glaucon 7 hours ago
        | Congress could pass a new law requiring it, of course, but I think we all understand that this would not accomplish the administration's real goal of letting Trump prove he's the specialest boy and everyone has to give him what he wants.

        ... plus it would require "tech firms" to actually modify their behaviour and that would never do.