Dear Time Lords: Freeze Computers in 1993

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90 points | by zdw 5 hours ago

22 comments

  • reacweb 22 minutes ago
    Yes, before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

    At that time, there was almost no spam because we could report them to abuse@domain...

    There was no firewall in front of our campus and we were using rlogin to connect outside. I used export DISPLAY from Brest to Paris (to use xdvi that was not installed locally).

    IMO, the security (ssh and killing rlogin) is the main change that is a really useful progress.

  • Brajeshwar 2 hours ago
    I was in school, and I remember my 1993. Our school was one of the few schools in my hometown (north-east India) that got computers.

    Unfortunately, we had too many students for each computer during classes. I started a revolt that “Computers are wasting our study time, as our upcoming board exams are more important.” The whole class signed the petition and the School Head had to schedule a class-wide talk and agreed to make it totally optional to the point of, “If you really want, you be part of it. But yes, study for the exam is more important.”

    So, the computer classes ended up with just me (the traitor), a friend from Kerala, and the school head’s daughter. We ended up like 3 computers each to our disposal. I wrote a QBasic Game-ish program to impress my first girlfriend — she uses the arrow keys to launch dots to hit some area on a heart-shaped thingy on the screen and it prints her name. I remember using physical graph-paper to calculate the screen “pixels” (I think) or co-ordinates to calculate strike areas.

    Oh and Yes, almost all of my classmates remember me for being that traitor.

    https://brajeshwar.com/2025/fixing-a-dos-computer-for-the-ar...

    • jamiek88 2 hours ago
      I remember using graph paper as a kid in England to design my space invaders clone for the class bbc micro.

      I loved your story, ingenuity and the cheekiness of youth!

  • vunderba 2 hours ago
    Pre-wikipedia days means you would likely have found me hunched over a 14" VGA monitor reading articles about giant devil rays and mansa musa in Microsoft Encarta as a kid.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encarta

    • birdsongs 9 minutes ago
      I adored Encarta. My aunt had the multi-CD set, I still vividly remember the animated landing page, clicking on cool pictures to navigate. Having to switch to CD#2 because the article you wanted wasn't on there.

      It actually felt magical, and I totally credit it with my fascination with STEM and science, I would spend hours browsing around.

  • josephg 3 hours ago
    I've been half joking lately that if I wrote an OS, I'd call it Nostalgia OS. I'd aim for a UI reminiscent of windows 98 / windows 2000 / snow leopard. With HID guidelines and a rich, clear, cohesive set of UI widgets to build applications with. I think that was the peak computing user interface - at least as I experienced it.

    Of course, the kernel would be based on capabilities (probably SeL4). And applications would probably ship as WASM bundles. And I'd have a built in local first user database built around CRDTs and things instead of a file system, kinda like a modern Lotus Notes. But for the UI? That era was great.

    • happymellon 54 minutes ago
      > windows 98 / windows 2000 / snow leopard

      I don't know if I would group those together. Windows 98/2k were visually similar, but OSX by that point was looking quite refined.

      It had toned down the blue, but still had some visual flare.

      95/98/2k had a very utility appearance. Just compare the recycle bins between each to see how much more effort went into OSX look and feel.

    • HerbManic 3 hours ago
      This is sort of what SerenityOS was going for. Alas it has slowed down a bit since Andreas now handles the Ladybird browser.

      To be fair Ladybird is probably needed more urgently now.

    • incanus77 2 hours ago
      Check out the Chicago95 theme for XFCE.
      • jayde2767 1 hour ago
        PTSD and my pining for OS/2 spikes once again...OMG...
  • mrwh 3 hours ago
    I don't think I was ever happier as a programmer than I was in the early 90s, well before university, with no thought of the internet, writing games on my Amiga.

    Incidentally, I recently replayed Loom, from a bit before that era. It's still a lovely, wonderful game! Such a shame the fan-made sequel (Forge) seems to have died.

    • hypercube33 34 minutes ago
      I had two faster (Pentium 3) machines but firing up my dad's old Pentium 90 running redhat that I installed to use KDE to write C was just a beautiful feeling and really got me coding for a few years.

      Even games were at least partially open (quake) or easily moddable (command and conquer, tribes, etc.) so I went down that rabbit hole soon after.

      Also man I really miss BeOS.

    • aidenn0 2 hours ago
      Loom is the best looking EGA game ever made. Sadly the VGA remake was hit-and-miss with the visuals.
    • simonjgreen 2 hours ago
      Impossible to think about Loom without thinking about the first room in Money Island and the guy with the badge
      • mrwh 2 hours ago
        "Talk to me about Loom!" That was my introduction to it.

        I believe it was reasonably popular back in the day, made money at least. Now it would be almost avant guarde in its slowness I guess. You can't even double click to run. The popular art of yesteryear becomes the high art of today...

  • weinzierl 2 hours ago
    OP has a good point, but for me, I'd rather wish we'd skipped the 90s and picked up again much later. I like to think of the 8-bit era as an early bronze age of computing, lots of things went right and were done right.

    16-bit, to me, are the dark ages. Lot's of confusion, not much good came out of it technologically and aesthetically. God, everything was ugly. Maybe all the trials and tribulations were necessary for what was about to come but I like to believe they weren't.

    32-bit to me is the golden age and 64-bit is platinum.

    If you offered my a time machine to go back, I'd surely say: "No, thank you!". There hasn't been a better time than now, but if you'd forced me at gun point, I'd pick the 80s over the 90s any time.

    • saulpw 1 hour ago
      I agree that 32-bit is the golden age, but 64-bit is enterprise bloat. I personally would go for 1995 vs 2005, but I think 2005 was a lot better than 2015 in terms of interfaces.
    • leptons 1 hour ago
      There was plenty of amazing stuff going on with computing in the 90's. You just had to know where to look. Do you consider the 68000 CPU to be 16 or 32 bit, or both?
      • weinzierl 1 hour ago
        The 68000 was introduced in 1979, to me it is part of the 80s.

        But you are making a good point. Maybe the distinction between 8/16/32/64-bit isn't really helpful. I loved the Amiga but I loathed all the XT/AT segmented memory bitplaned VGA 16-bit stuff. That to me is the deep dark ages.

        • einr 6 minutes ago
          I loved the Amiga but I loathed all the XT/AT segmented memory bitplaned VGA 16-bit stuff. That to me is the deep dark ages.

          I get the sentiment, but I have to nitpick the details ;)

          VGA isn't bitplaned. It's chunky -- to put a pixel on the screen in 320x200x8 VGA mode 13h you literally just write a single byte to the VGA memory. The Amiga, on the other hand, does use planar graphics.

          (Maybe you're thinking of EGA, which is planar and a pain to program for)

  • simonjgreen 2 hours ago
    The trouble I have with this proposal, is Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight and Goldeneye weren’t released until 1997. So that’s a pass from me :)
  • medi8r 3 hours ago
    1993. No phone. No expectation of being contactable. If you are out you are out.

    No SSDs though :(

    • weinzierl 2 hours ago
      Well, people showed up randomly at your door completely unannounced. And for the expectation of being available: At least where I grew up mobility was much lower, transportation difficult. You bet there was an expectation of availability. Was it better or worse? I could not say, it was surely different.
    • HerbManic 3 hours ago
      Yeah...it was pretty good except that last part...
    • karteum 1 hour ago
      Actually the GSM spec existed in 1993 :)
  • jdougan 3 hours ago
    Every so often I fire up an old Squeak Smalltalk image, put it in full screen mode, and pretend that much of the intervening years never happened.
    • xkriva11 3 hours ago
      But Squeak is 1996 ;)
      • jdougan 3 hours ago
        Close enough. I had a copy of MacOS Apple Smalltalk from the 1985 training course I took, and had started a job using Objectworks. Squeak 1.0 is quite close to ST-80.
  • grumblepeet 1 hour ago
    Two years before I moved across into IT. This was when I was a graphic designer making magazines and nursing journals using tools like Aldus PageMaker and QuarkXpress. Those were fantastic times. It felt like we could do anything with computers.

    I was eyeing a career in IT and moved across soon after, and was dumped into Novell Netware 3.12 land which was an eye opener (Fire Phasers anyone?).

  • zdc1 2 hours ago
    Well the games of my childhood, Total Annihilation and Seven Kingdoms, came out in '97. So for my own selfish reasons I would argue that the Pentium II is where progress should have stopped.

    On the other hand, at least I'll get to play Castle of the Winds.

    (I also loved Z: Steel Soldiers, but despite the '01 release date, I'm sure it too would have run on a Pentium II).

  • klodolph 2 hours ago
    2009, please, sorry. 1993 is fun and all, I can go relive the dreams of Microsoft Encarta, but 2009 has Mac OS 10.6, gigabit ethernet everywhere, and USB.
  • kristianp 2 hours ago
    I was doing Modula 2 coding of assignments around then on 1 bit xterms. [1] I don't think we had that new fangled Modula 3.

    [1] possibly NCD-16, https://groups.google.com/g/comp.windows.x/c/yGBvXhuTL0Y

  • valorzard 2 hours ago
    Time lords can’t do anything, they’re all dead (twice now, thanks RTD)

    Maybe the doctor could take you back there with a TARDIS, but time paradoxes and fixed points in time and all that

    • voidUpdate 33 minutes ago
      Given how many times they've been gone forever, never to come back, and then come back again, I wouldn't count on them being dead for long
  • jmyeet 3 hours ago
    I'm old enough to remember the 1990s. Many of us who do consider it the last good decade. Living was cheap. The previously ever-present threat of nuclear annihilation had seemingly abated. This was before the d0t-com crash and obviously the War on Terror that has dominated the 21st century thus far.

    I have fond memories of the 486 era, which was really the early 1990s. I'm kinda surprised the PC component of this isn't mentioned here. it was also peak Borland.

    It does mention Windows NT but honestly nobody really cared about that until NT 3.0/3.5 and it soon thereafter became Windows XP and laid the foundation for modern Windows.

    1993 IIRC had pre-1.0 Linux. I downloaded a distribution (SLS) onto ~30 5.25" floppy drives about that time.

    But I really wonder if it was that the tech was sufficiently good at that time or it's simply the tech we had when life was sufficiently good. 1993 was before the dot-com bubble started. That's true. And I guess with more computing power came a lot of the things that many people dislike now. Ads, news feeds, social media, micro-transactions, etc.

    But we also have Youtube, video streaming, digital maps and navigation, search engines and a host of other things that are genuinely good.

    This stuff was also fantastically expensive (in inflation-adjusted dollars). We shouldn't forget that too.

    • ChrisSD 50 minutes ago
      > It does mention Windows NT but honestly nobody really cared about that until NT 3.0/3.5 and it soon thereafter became Windows XP and laid the foundation for modern Windows.

      Fun fact: NT 3.1 was the first version of NT, released in 1993. It was versioned like that to match Windows 3.1 which had been released the previous year.

      And it really took off with Windows 2000. Not just business people but more ordinary people were using it as a more stable alternative to Windows 95/98 (albeit lacking some compatibility, especially with games).

    • qsera 2 hours ago
      >Youtube

      For me, youtube is only nice because of the decades old content that people have put on it. But that is because there is no such quality content made in the world anymore, and that is partially because of the enshittification bought on by the internet.

      If it was not the case, youtube won't be that big of a deal. Let me disclose here that I am not a big fan of "on-demand" content.

      • Megranium 1 hour ago
        I'm always amazed how Youtube can be so many different things for different people ... It's true that it used to be better a few years back, but people still upload great content even it it's harder to find nowadays.

        Also, music ... back in the 90ies, if you were drawn to the obscure side of music, you'd read about it, and could, at best, imagine what it was like, because your local record store didn't have it, the bigger store the next town over didn't have it, and IF anyone could order it was with a non-refundable down payment.

        Nowadays, you can probably find it on YT, and that's great IMHO. I my musical horizon would be so much more limited without it.

        Also I've learned a lot about guitar repair ...

        • qsera 1 hour ago
          Yea..

          I have stayed up all night waiting for RHCP's "Otherside" to come on MTv to record it on tape..

          Will kids today even understand something like that, is anyone captured by music like that these days?

          • Megranium 5 minutes ago
            I don't really have nostalgia for that, I prefer the immediacy honestly.

            Nowadays people are captured by music differently, as they were captured by music differently before music could be mechanically or digitally reproduced.

    • fxtentacle 3 hours ago
      1993 was before the west entered the last stage of capitalism. It was a time when companies still competed on products rather than using monopolistic force to squeeze ever more revenue out of the same people by turning every life necessity into a subscription. Similarly, it was a time when you could mail-order a house and build it yourself. Rental prices were low because there was no regulatory capture on housing construction yet.

      Where I disagree with you is video streaming. In my opinion, YouTube and the commercialisation of holiday memories (which later became Instagram influencers) were the beginning of widespread depression. Seemingly regular people sharing their exceptional life somehow forces everyone else to compare themselves to the dreams presented on YouTube and most people will come up short and then most people will feel insufficient. I believe that’s why early YouTube ads were so powerful. Your ad for exotic goods would play immediately after the viewer became painfully aware of how boring they are, when measured against the top 0.1% on a global scale.

      • gizajob 3 hours ago
        I never understand why people want to label such eras of capitalism as “late” or the last era of capitalism. The late stage was late only to its own death. This isn’t the last stage either. Plenty more to grow. Capitalism is more akin to an indestructible and rapidly mutating organism than an ideology.
  • andersmurphy 54 minutes ago
    There would be no SQLite though.
    • fsiefken 4 minutes ago
      yes, but there would be dbase, berkeley db, borland database engine and mdb though - good enough
  • api 32 minutes ago
    What this is really talking about is that we abandoned well engineered thought out platforms for piles of hacks, and superior clean languages for inferior but popular ones.

    The problem with a lot of those beautiful systems is that they were neither free nor easy to use. The things that won were either or both of these.

    For hardware the things that won, like the PC platform, had scale, and therefore won on price performance. A lot of the hardware mentioned here was priced for enterprise. Platforms that were only available in those price brackets and never fell in price either died or stayed extremely niche (s390x).

    A second problem with the nice software is that a lot of it was not ported to the cheap hardware.

    For software, free isn’t just about money. It’s also about virality. A free OS or language implementation can just be copied. You don’t have to ask permission.

    The only non-free software that won was easy to use. Free is usually still unable to achieve that. People will pay for ease of use. The nice well engineered stuff, though, was usually still arcane.

    I think “worse is better” can be explained by these things. Worse is not better for some non obvious systemic or evolutionary theoretic reason. Worse is cheaper, or free, and therefore has scale and can spread virally.

    Linux was free. The web was free. C compilers were free and Java and JS were free. Windows and macOS and later phones were easy to use and still cheaper than those enterprise grade things.

  • mbrezu 2 hours ago
    Man, we're old...
    • Zobat 2 hours ago
      Yep, old men yelling at "the cloud"!
  • Megranium 1 hour ago
    I honestly don't share the nostalgia.

    I enjoy having a computer that allows me to create all kinds of things that weren't possible in 1993 ... mash together all kinds of audio, video, text ... put it in a backpack, bring it somewhere, perform on stage, with an 800$ laptop. Amazing.

    I'm one of those "Encarta kids" who dug through Encarta for nights on end while the parents were out, and still spend slow Sundays reading random Wikipedia articles.

    Having the archives that have been created since 1993, whether Wikipedia, Youtube (to me still one of the most amazing music discovery tools I've ever encountered), Archive.org, Google Scholar, Zenodo, at my fingertips has probably widened my personal horizon beyond imagination. Not sure who I'd be without it.

    So even sadder to see it all drown now in AI slop ...

    • hypercube33 25 minutes ago
      I feel like you missed out on the best part of Napster - finding someone's stash of music you like surrounded by things you've never heard of and then exploring it. My memory swears you could leave someone a message but that's a lifetime ago, but I know I connected with a few people who helped me absolutely get into metal music and that's changed my life for the good forever.

      Other than that you'd go to a LAN party and find someone's file share of goodies, find again the things you were into and now you had a new friend who probably liked things you never knew of and now you two are sharing new things to each other on top of that.

      It was really an age of connecting people and exploring the world for me, even as a young kid.

      • Megranium 8 minutes ago
        Oh I do remember Napster, but that was way after 1993 as well ;)

        Either way, that still took ages to download, etc, so, it was less immediate. And somehow, I remember it more as a source for stuff that's already well-known ...

        Never was too much into LAN parties though ...

  • sh3rl0ck 3 hours ago
    In Gallifrey? In Gallifrey.
  • altairprime 1 hour ago
    I've been decompiling SH-2A code for the past half-decade and, you know, it's fine. It's not Great. But, like, it's fine!
  • ychompinator 1 hour ago
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